Northside, is this the same Hillary Clinton who served two terms in the Senate? Resigning to become Secretary of State for President Obama who, by the way, served in the Senate from January 4, 2005 and to November 16, 2008? I can understand someone not supporting Clinton's bid for the presidency. I can understand someone simply not liking her. What I can't understand is someone dumping on her "lack of experience." She has vastly more experience than President Obama had when he was elected to office, and one could easily argue that she has more experience than Senator Sanders.
If you can't understand why somebody would dump on Hillary Clinton for lack of experience, then you shouldn't understand why somebody would dump on Bernie for it either. That's the point I'm trying to reach. I'm not dumping either--I'm merely stating a fact. Senator Sanders has crafted more bipartisan legislation than Senator Clinton did. Some of that has to do with the fact that Bernie has been in Senate for so long, and some of that has to do with the fact that Bernie is "the king" of bipartisan amendments. So people who say that Bernie is pie in the sky and has no experience getting things done, well, I think an equal scrutiny with verifiable facts should be done on all candidates.
Saw this article from a few months back talking about this. http://www.npr.org/2015/11/13/455812702/clinton-has-45-to-1-superdelegate-advantage-over-sanders
The problem with Hillary's "experience" is two-fold: 1. She was truly terrible at both jobs 2. She got the jobs due to her "marriage" to Bill Clinton.
Superdelegates are sort of irrelevant. A good number of them will change their vote if Sanders were leading the "regular" delegate count. No one way the superdelegates are going to overrule the primary voters. Most of them are likely just "committed" to Clinton because it was assumed that she would win.
Similar to the way George W got his two jobs as Governor of Texas and POTUS through him being Bush I's son?
Well that sucks. Superdelegates that don't represent anybody's vote but their own controlling the votes that go towards and election by the people... Is it just me or does that seem like major BS? Can someone explain superdelegates to me? Because im unfamiliar with politics, but this *Bernie voice* seems like a rigged system.
Good comparison.....how did he do as president in your estimation? "Vote for Hillary, she'll be similar to George W Bush!" Is that really where you want to go with it?
Superdelegates always change their votes at the end to reflect the popular vote. In 08 Bill Clinton changed his from Hillary to Obama.
Somewhat similar, except Bush was a good governor of Texas, whereas Hillary hasn't had the same level of success in her roles.
I've heard Sanders' supporters claim this but have not seen it substantiated. I admit to not following Sanders' Congressional career very closely but if you could elucidate this I would be curious to hear what bipartisan legislation he has authored? What major pieces of legislation has he authored or shepherded through the Congress? My own recollection of Sanders' is that while he has been ranking member has not been chair of major committees and has frequently been among very few, or even single, legislator to vote against several bills. Also I know that Sanders was mayor of Burlington, VT having been there I don't think it is comparable to the rest of the country. True Sanders has been in Congress for a long time and was Mayor of a small city. I am curious to hear more about his experience.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/ber...hing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you/ The following are major amendments he passed with bipartisan support (often, it must be said, in the headwinds of Republican-controlled Congresses). Corporate Crime Accountability (February 1995): A Sanders amendment to the Victims Justice Act of 1995 required “offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white-collar crimes to give notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution.” Saving Money, for Colleges and Taxpayers (April 1998): In an amendment to H.R. 6, the Higher Education Amendments of 1998, Sanders made a change to the law that allowed the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education to make competitive grants available to colleges and universities that cooperated to reduce costs through joint purchases of goods and services. Holding IRS Accountable, Protecting Pensions (July 2002): Sanders’ amendment to the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 2003 stopped the IRS from being able to use funds that “violate current pension age discrimination laws.” Although he faced stiff GOP opposition, his amendment still succeeded along a 308 to 121 vote. Expanding Free Health Care (November 2001): You wouldn’t think Republicans would agree to an expansion of funds for community health centers, which provide some free services. But Sanders was able to win a $100 million increase in funding with an amendment. Getting Tough On Child Labor (July 2001): A Sanders amendment to the general appropriations bill prohibited the importation of goods made with child labor. Increasing Funding for Heating for the Poor (September 2004): Sanders won a $22 million increase for the low-income home energy assistance program and related weatherization assistance program. Fighting Corporate Welfare and Protecting Against Nuclear Disasters (June 2005): A Sanders amendment brought together a bipartisan coalition that outnumbered a bipartisan coalition on the other side to successfully prohibit the Export-Import Bank from providing loans for nuclear projects in China. Once Sanders made it to the Senate in 2006, his ability to use amendments to advance a progressive agenda was empowered. Here are some of the amendments he passed in the Senate: Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters. Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq. Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren’t used to displace American workers. Helping Veterans’ Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces. Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required “public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors” – an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action. Support for Treating Autism in Military Health Care: Sanders worked with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) to pass an amendment by a vote of 66-29 ensuring that the military’s TRICARE system would be able to treat autism.
That said though for a someone who served that long in Congress I don't see any major Sanders legislation. Not discounting that he did very good work on existing bills but as a prominent Congressman one would hope that he would've been able to get legislation that is his own. Anyway for comparison Clinton also doesn't have any legislation that is her's that passed but also did play an important role in shaping other legislation through amendment. http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...llary-clinton-have-her-name-only-three-laws-/ [rquoter] Half-True Bush As a senator, Hillary Clinton "has her name on three laws in eight years." — Jeb Bush on Tuesday, June 16th, 2015 in an interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News Did Hillary Clinton have her name on only three laws in eight years as Jeb Bush says? As Jeb Bush reels off his accomplishments as governor cutting taxes and slashing state jobs, he says he’s ready to put his record up against Hillary Clinton’s. A day after his announcement speech at Miami Dade College, Fox News’ Sean Hannity asked Bush to comment on the Democrat’s record. Hannity: "Can you name in a serious way one specific Hillary accomplishment, or what would you say that's good about her?" Bush: "She's smart. I think she's smart. I think she loves her country. I don't ascribe bad motives for people that I don't agree with. But as a senator, I think she passed -- she has her name on three laws in eight years." There is some truth to Bush’s claim about laws passed, but it doesn’t tell the full story about her legislative accomplishments as a senator. Laws with Clinton’s name Clinton was first elected as a senator from New York in 2000 and re-elected in 2006. She resigned to become secretary of state, so her Senate tenure was from January 2001 to January 2009. Bush’s spokesman sent us a list of three bills Clinton sponsored hat became law. These laws were uncontroversial matters that passed by unanimous consent in the Senate and voice vote in the House and then were signed by President George W. Bush: S. 1241: A bill to establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in the State of New York. Bush signed the bill Dec. 3, 2004. S. 3613: A bill to name a post office the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building." Bush signed the bill Oct. 6, 2006. S. 3145: A bill to designate a highway in New York as the Timothy J. Russert highway. Bush signed the bill July 23, 2008. But there are other ways that Senators can influence legislation even if they don’t end up as the sponsor of the final version: Co-sponsored bills: There were 74 bills that became law that Clinton co-sponsored. For example, she was one of 54 cosponsors on the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, signed in January 2009 by President Barack Obama. (The fact that she co-sponsored these bills doesn’t tell us much about her role in their passage, but Bush referred to bills that "she has her name" on, so it’s worth noting those she co-sponsored.) She co-sponsored one version but another version passed: For example, she co-sponsored S.1, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in January 2009 while the version that passed was H.R. 1. Sponsored amendments: She put forward amendments that influenced laws sponsored by others. She sponsored three amendments on a bill for security and disaster funding. The amendments passed in 2007 and the bill passed in 2008. Two experts who study Congress -- Norman Ornstein, a scholar at American Enterprise Institute, and Sarah Binder, a political science professor at George Washington University and Brookings Institution scholar -- said that the number of sponsored or co-sponsored bills signed into law isn’t a thorough measure of effectiveness or productivity for a member of the Senate. "Offering amendments on the floor, holding hearings, contributing to oversight, helping to negotiate agreements, pushing federal agencies to be responsive to constituents back home -- all of these might contribute to making a senator ‘effective,’ but none of these endeavors of course would show up in a count of bills sponsored or passed or enacted," Binder said. As for Bush’s claim about the number of laws "she has her name on," Binder said that it’s fair game to also look at the number of bills Clinton co-sponsored. "Because ‘have her name on’ is so vague, I don't see the grounds on which to exclude co-sponsored bills," she said. Ornstein said that the names that go on bills of any real significance are the committee chairs -- for example the Dodd-Frank 2010 banking reform bill. Sen. Chris Dodd and U.S. Rep. Barney Frank were the major figures behind the law, but other senators also had roles and don’t have their names on the bill. Meanwhile, the Affordable Care Act "does not have Al Franken's name on it, but a really important provision, the medical-loss ratio, was his handiwork," Ornstein said. "Effectiveness can be a behind-the-scenes role, adding a serious amendment, working inside to get the language exactly right. By any reasonable standard, including the private comments of her colleagues on both sides of the aisle when she was in the Senate, she was very effective." Our ruling Bush said that as a senator, Clinton had her name "on three laws in eight years." Bush used vague language here, so it’s fair game to look at the three sponsored bills and the 74 co-sponsored ones that passed. Also, congressional experts warn that legislative influence goes beyond having your name as a sponsor or co-sponsor. Senators weigh in with amendments, debate and negotiations. The statement is partially accurate, but leaves out important details so we rate this claim Half True. [/rquoter]
Legislation aside, it's possible Bernie would get to nominate 2 Supreme Court Justices and keep veto power over GOP garbage But there will no progressive initiatives coming out of Congress no matter who is President, what we want is the bully pulpit to change the perception of electing Democrats to Congress. Mr. Obama, hollowed be his name, did not do nearly enough local campaigning. Mr. Sanders is a campaign machine. If you are the least bit progressive , he'd be in your corner.
Obama is a moderate Democrat by any definition, Sander never claimed to be one. Hillary is another moderate Democrat.
