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Another terrible jobs number

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Sep 7, 2012.

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  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

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    Don't be deceived by the liberal pile on crew. They are always wrong, and only jump in to help their fallen comrades in their time of dire need.


    Bottom line is that you think this has been a great recovery, and the truth is it's been one of the worst ever, and the actual worst since the 1940s. And then you can't even articulate the basics of corporate inversions and why they aren't good for America.

    Take some time off, and next time think twice before stepping to me, son.
     
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    This has been an amazing tête-à-tête
     
  3. Northside Storm

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    Let me state this very clearly: this is historically the best recovery from a deep American financial crisis. And a corporate inversion, in classical MBA-speak, 100% in theory, entails synergies! and buzzwords! and M&A! from foreign shores! so crombulent cooperative capital investment job losses!

    but unfortunately the facts don't bare you out.

    The Tax Foundation looked over all 76 instances since 1983 and stated, unequivocally that

    You've also lost the thread on why this matters in the first place.

    If inversions are so bad for America--why would corporate tax cut decreases be good? There is no data pointing to your latter conclusion.

    Again so you can't ignore this again--

    it's been fun texxx, but the caffeine is starting to wear off, and it's going to be more annoying than fun to point out the data you're ignoring ;)
     
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    and to be very clear on this, they didn't bring up the fact I "thrashed" you--you did! they just brought up the word thrashing. It seems to be an almost Pavlovian association :p
     
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    Im here to help white knight you bigkkk. these bullies are piling on you with facts. this has got to stop!! im hurt by this beating bigkkkk has received for 40 some odd pages. call the spca this is animal cruelty. call the fight mods close this tko


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  6. dandorotik

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    There is some truth in what BigTexx says; depending on how you look at it, it's the slowest recovery among all recoveries since the 1940s. However, please consider a few things:

    1. It's still a recovery.

    2. It should be viewed within the perspective of where it came from- please see article #2.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/go...y-has-about-4-years-before-it-ends-2015-11-11

    http://www.economist.com/news/unite...-feeling-more-prosperous-last-proper-recovery

    So, if you want to criticize the Obama Administration for not driving a fast-enough recovery, you have a point. But considering it was the worst recession since the Depression, it can be seem as quite remarkable.

    It would be like criticizing a 60-win team for having a low point differential. Again, you're right, but still biased. If you applied the criteria to Bush, you'd have to really jump on him b/c the economy got worse from 2000 to 2008. Are you willing to do that?
     
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  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Every American could be employed and sipping champagne, and Bigotexxx would be crying about how pitiful of quality the champagne was and that was Obama's fault.
     
  9. Space Ghost

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    While I dont fully agree with you, I dont exactly disagree either. At the end of they day, everyone is quick to spout of their opinions and pass them off as facts. The reality is we do not have an alternate reality to compare events. We can't say such and such policy saved or ruined us.

    The chain of events go all the way back to the Clinton years, when we had tremendous growth and prosperity. Al Queda hit not just us, but the world in one of the most opportune times. Most of us are guilty of viewing the middle east as some desolate hell hole filled with backwards people, when in fact there are very intelligent people who see how the world works in a very different way. This triggered the instability and no policies or president would have prevented what happened. Bush did a very poor job of blunting the cascading events that followed. The only difference between Obama and Bush was that Obama abandoned his visions of a different America after his second term, which in turned allowed the market to make a steady recovery.

    While some liberals want to hail a strong recovery, the reality is that its been very mediocre. Inflation over the last decade has accelerated while wages has been stagnant. When I compare my W2's from 15 years ago, it seems I am doing very well, however, when I compare my expenses, it makes me feel like I have advanced very little.
     
  10. Dubious

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    Or was it Congress that obstructed all efforts? Because I have never heard a more impassioned plea for good legislation that went no where.

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    I believe GladiatoRowdy already posted data to disprove the statement re: inflation accelerating.

    And while the statement about wage growth being stagnant over the past decade may be accurate, when you look at the last year wage growth has been reasonably strong.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/06/news/economy/best-wage-growth-in-years/

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy-fed-analysis-idUSKBN0UM1UV20160108

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-05/payrolls-in-u-s-rose-151-000-in-january-jobless-rate-at-4-9
     
  14. bigtexxx

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    How shallow of you. Anybody can cook up ideas, but the hard work required to convince others and then implement the ideas is what is tough.

    Obama was simply a lazy president, because he decided that it wasn't worth his time to roll up his sleeves and work with the other side. Instead he favored executive action and complaining about Congress.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    LOL, got to love Space Ghost - ignorance is strength!
     
  16. NewRoxFan

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    texx, texx... it doesn't appear that a good nights sleep did much good and your blind hatred of our President still clouds your judgement. Here someone posts a solid set of ideas forwarded by our President, and all you can do is post insults. The same set of tired insults over and over again.

    I really think you need to take more time away from the D&D and facebook and come back with new ideas. We'll still be here when you return.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    Ideas are the easiest part. The hard work is convincing others and implementing them. Obama wasn't willing to do that.
     
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    The situation was/is comparable to a hostage situation with Obama being law enforcement, the Republican Congress being the hostage takers and the American people being the hostages. Obama tried negotiating with the hostage takers long past a reasonable amount of time. He kept screaming into the bullhorn “what are your demands?” and Republicans kept replying with “#$%^ you”. Finally, he realized that the hostages were going to starve before he found out what the hostage takers really wanted so he grabbed the 12 gauge, crossed the barricade, kicked the door in and blasted the hostage takers with 00 executive action buckshot like he was a black Charles Bronson. Crisis handled. Thanks Obama.

    I can’t wait for the sequel starring Bernie Sanders and Paul Ryan.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    Excuses. Remember democrats had both the house and senate when Obama arrived, which totally blows your point out of the water.

    pwn3d
     
  20. NewRoxFan

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    Coming up with new ideas is the hard part. If it was easy, the republicans would have come up with new ones of their own. We're still waiting.

    Instead of coming up with new ideas, they chose partisanship and the path of obstruction.

    Even when discussing their most fervent opposition to Affordable Care Act, republicans have not come up with a single new idea on how to replace it (as recently as January 2016):

    So perhaps you and the entire republican party should take a short vacation, come up with some of these new ideas that you say are easy to come up with, and then begin that "hard work" of convincing others and implementing them.

    We're all waiting...
     
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