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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Sep 7, 2012.

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  1. Northside Storm

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    LOL

    http://taxfoundation.org/blog/everything-you-need-know-about-corporate-inversions

    There have only been about 80 planned or actual inversions since the 1980s, why don't you go through the tape texxx on your non-issue that affects 0.5% of the corporate tax base?

    This is too rich. You're just punching yourself in the face at this point.
     
  2. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    Since Bigtexxx never provides any data to backup his bs. I did a little exercise of putting corporate tax rates vs unemployment rates. My data is from KPMG and World bank.

    HTML:
    	Tax	UE
    Afghanistan	20	9.1
    Albania	15	16.1
    Algeria	19	9.5
    Angola	35	6.8
    Argentina	35	8.2
    Armenia	20	17.1
    Australia	30	6
    Austria	25	5
    Bangladesh	27.5	4.3
    Barbados	25	12
    Belarus	18	5.9
    Belgium	33.99	8.5
    Bolivia	25	2.7
    Bosnia and Herzegovina	10	27.9
    Botswana	22	18.2
    Brazil	34	6.8
    Bulgaria	10	11.6
    Cambodia	20	0.4
    Canada	26.5	6.9
    Chile	20	6.4
    China	25	4.7
    Colombia	25	10.1
    Costa Rica	30	8.3
    Croatia	20	16.7
    Cyprus	12.5	15.6
    Czech Republic	19	6.2
    Denmark	24.5	6.6
    Dominican Republic	28	15
    Ecuador	22	4.6
    Egypt	25	4.6
    El Salvador	30	6.2
    Estonia	21	7.7
    Fiji	20	7.9
    Finland	20	8.6
    France	33.33	9.9
    Georgia	15	13.4
    Germany	29.58	5
    Ghana	25	2.4
    Gibraltar	10	2.4
    Greece	26	26.3
    Guatemala	28	2.9
    Honduras	30	3.9
    Hong Kong SAR	16.5	3.9
    Hungary	19	7.8
    Iceland	20	5
    India	33.99	3.6
    Indonesia	25	6.2
    Iraq	15	16.4
    Ireland	12.5	11.6
    Israel	26.5	6.1
    Italy	31.4	12.5
    Jamaica	25	13.2
    Japan	35.64	3.7
    Jordan	14	11.1
    Kazakhstan	20	4.1
    Kenya	30	9.2
    Korea, Republic of	24.2	3.5
    Kuwait	15	3
    Latvia	15	10
    Lebanon	15	6.4
    Libya	20	19.2
    Lithuania	15	11.3
    Luxembourg	29.22	6.1
    Macau	12	1.5
    Macedonia	10	1.5
    Malawi	30	7.5
    Malaysia	25	2
    Malta	35	5.9
    Mauritius	15	7.7
    Mexico	30	4.9
    Montenegro	9	19.1
    Morocco	30	10.2
    Mozambique	32	22.6
    Namibia	33	18.6
    Netherlands	25	6.9
    New Zealand	28	5.6
    Nigeria	30	7.5
    Norway	27	3.4
    Oman	12	7.2
    Pakistan	34	5.2
    Panama	25	4.3
    Papua New Guinea	30	2.5
    Paraguay	10	4.5
    Peru	30	4.2
    Philippines	30	7.1
    Poland	19	9.2
    Portugal	23	14.2
    Qatar	10	0.3
    Romania	16	7
    Russia	20	7
    Saudi Arabia	20	5.6
    Serbia	15	22.2
    Sierra Leone	30	3.3
    Singapore	17	3
    Slovakia	22	13.3
    Slovenia	17	9.5
    South Africa	28	25.1
    Spain	30	24.7
    Sri Lanka	28	4.6
    Sudan	35	14.8
    Suriname	34.5	5.6
    Sweden	22	8
    Switzerland	17.92	4.5
    Syria	22	4.5
    Taiwan	17	10.8
    Tanzania	30	3.1
    Thailand	20	0.9
    Trinidad and Tobago	25	4
    Tunisia	25	13.3
    Turkey	20	9.2
    Uganda	30	3.8
    Ukraine	18	7.7
    United Arab Emirates	55	3.6
    United Kingdom	21	6.3
    United States	40	6.2
    Uruguay	25	7
    Vietnam	22	2.3
    Yemen	20	26.2
    
    The correlation for this data is -.12182
    and R^2 is .0148.

    Basically the two are not correlated at all. If you plotted the data you would find a negative slope Aka countries with higher tax rates have lower UE. However, the data is saying the corporate tax rates really aren't very correlated with unemployment rates.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Your statement was "You think Obama runs the Fed?"

    What I asked was "Obama doesn't have any influence on Fed actions?"

    If you don't see the difference, you need to get a refund from Rice.

    runs =/= has influence
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    Ha! You continue to display your ignorance.

    The only practical way for inversions to happen today is through an acquisition under which the acquired company makes up 20-40% of the combined new company. That leads to job loss in the form of acquisition synergies, my friend! And job loss that wouldn't have happened if they weren't enticed by tax "synergies"!

    Despite your furious googling, you're getting absolutely obliterated today.
     
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    This is some of the worst analysis I've ever seen in my life.

    You assume that all else is equal in these countries, except the tax rate? What a stupid assumption!
     
  6. Northside Storm

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    Let me just hammer that in again.

    http://www.epi.org/publication/ib364-corporate-tax-rates-and-economic-growth/

    i just lol at threads like these, but thanks for bringing some data to the plate.

    (FWIW, I think you really only want to sample OCED nations instead of all nations. It's also a hell of a task to normalize UE and effective tax rates across a broad variety of countries, but that's a very technical point.)
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    Bahaha. Your MBA course in economics 101 is not holding up.

    http://www.barrons.com/articles/a-tax-inversion-is-no-injustice-1449294535

    If you're going to cite an issue that will move the needle 0.5%, at least bring more proof--you have 60-80 situations to choose from.
     
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    You can only cite the Pfizer piece as your anecdotal evidence? Classic logic flaw.

    You can't even speak to the basics, son.

    You're getting whipped today. Gather yourself, take a break, and come back composed.
     
  9. Northside Storm

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    bahahaha.

    Your entire thread has no data. I'm literally using you as a punchbag because I need a few outlets to write in after one coffee too many. Let's not confuse this with an actual debate.

    If you're going to point out that I have a logic flaw for using anecdotal data, what does that say about the zero data you use? Can you not read what the Tax Foundation has to say about the 60 or so cases they've seen? :p

    i love you texxy, but keep yourself away from numbers/facts. Stick with MBA-buzzword bulls**t, it suits you better
     
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  10. Air Langhi

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    Even if I did multi variable regression, corporate tax rates would have a low correlation to GDP, UE, etc. Of course there are multiple factors that effect the economy. The point of regression is to figure out what factor effect the output and which don't.

    If
    x= a+b+c+d+e+f+g ..

    Where c=corporate tax rates it would still have a low correlation to UE, GDP, etc.

    Unless you want to pick specific points to prove something in which case you are not doing real statistics.
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    bigpuffery claiming to look at data?

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

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    That one piece of anecdotal evidence was more evidence than you have provided in this entire thread.
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

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    I did one a few years ago...

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3E7IZf1pxPeMXpCY3JVakktTHM/view?ths=true
     
  14. peleincubus

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    you sir have a way with words.

    so you are saying the tepid recovery happened in spite of obama. also that if mccain were president we have what a drastically higher participation rate, unemployment at 3-4%, and all swaths of industry would be increasing wages 5-8% more?

    ok i guess
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    Obama has outsourced his job growth efforts to the Federal Reserve. Even with this mammoth tailwind of stimulus at his back, all we could muster was one of the weakest recoveries since the great depression of the 1930s. We knew we'd recover - that always happens. What was sad was the magnitude of the recovery - very weak!
     
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  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    Like your "arguments."
     
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    As much as I enjoy seeing liltexx getting thrashed in debate, even this is too much of a thrashing for me. Liltexx... take a week off and come back when the wounds have healed.
     
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    I've humiliated Northside, who can't even articulate the basics of corporate inversions, and thinks this has been a great recovery! He's simply out of his league.
     
  19. NewRoxFan

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    You're clearly upset, and its effecting your judgement. I am beginning to worry about you. Take a week or two off, maybe enroll in an on-line economics course or two. You will regain your form, hopefully.
     
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    I do like it when even the mere mention of "thrashing" conjures up my name. ;)
     

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