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I believe in James Harden.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Cashmoney, Jan 19, 2016.

  1. SamFisher

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    Don't forget, he shoots to early and also holds the ball and shoots too late.
     
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  2. RasaqBoi

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot; Hey James Harden dab for me&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SuperBowl?src=hash">#SuperBowl</a> <a href="https://t.co/Ong8ZO4BPA">pic.twitter.com/Ong8ZO4BPA</a></p>&mdash; White Ace Boogie (@AAniszewski) <a href="https://twitter.com/AAniszewski/status/696459261237309440">February 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  3. Da_Spark

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    You will all love Harden again once he brings KD to H-Town next season.
     
  4. T_Man

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    I would be shocked if KD came here....

    I just don't see it happening...

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  5. roxallways

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    Why do people keep thinking it's a good chance of Durant coming here? He might as well stay in OKC because they have a better chance of contending then the current Rox. Harden has changed since he's been in OKC with Durant. I don't think too many if any elite players currently in the league would want to come and play with Harden. His front running, entitled, no-defense, loser mentality is not the best attraction for players of Durant's caliber. Harden's head has become way to big and he is not a good fit with any of the current elite talents in the league. Just another AI, Melo, stat padding type player. Harden carries himself like he has reached his pinnacle in his career with the fat shoe deal, commercials, being seen as a superstar, etc. Harden isn't bothered about a winning legacy. Most of the people on this board are taking this season harder then Harden. He couldn't care less. I just don't think a competitor like Durant would want to come and play with Harden at this point, friends or not.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    I'll be honest. If I received a 200 million dollar contract, I too would be pretty content with my life but then again that's exactly why I will never be the BEST at what I do. To be the best at your respective profession, you can never be content and I think that is the folly of James Harden.
     
  7. roxallways

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    True most of us would feel we have reached the mountain top with the accolades Harden has received since he's been in Houston. But the greats are cut from a different mold. Harden just doesn't have the mentality of the greats. Few do. Harden doesn't even try to give the appearance of having what it takes mentality wise.
     
  8. Ns575

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    you can argue current Rockets with Durant is better than current OKC with Durant. You have to look at it both ways.
     
  9. aelliott

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    Have you identified something that is a real problem area for the Rockets or are you simply hypothesizing about what may be a problem without even knowing that it is an issue?

    If you are complaining about things that aren't really a problem then that's pointless. If you are indeed complaining about something that really is an issue then provide some facts to back up your claim. In today's information age there's tons of stats available to help you make you point.

    I'll even get you started:

    Houston Rockets opponents fastbreak points per game: 13.9.
    Golden State Warriors opponents fastbreak points per game: 15.0.

    I look forward to see what you come up with.
     
  10. Phreak3

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    Only way you're going to prove that is to beat OKC in the play offs.

    That's the only way. Without that, Morey will never have a good enough pitch to sell Durant.
     
  11. Ns575

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    How are we supposed to prove that current Rockets with Durant would be better than current OKC with Durant............ when we don't have Durant? Taking them to 7 games would show that bringing him in would throw us over the top (loosely said considering the lack of heart this team possesses)
     
  12. roxallways

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    That's debatable. My main point is Harden would clash with the current elite players in the league. Imo it's just wishing upon a star thinking Durant is coming here. Last year changed Harden for the worse.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Me too.

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=10294704&postcount=588
     
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  14. J Sizzle

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    Pure speculation, but sure. That fits the narrative.
     
  15. aelliott

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    Excellent, I hadn't seen that. I'm guessing that it took you maybe 3 to 5 minutes to lookup those possessions from the game log?

    I always find it interesting when posters are so adamant about a point yet they won't spend a couple of minutes to determine if their theory is even really an issue.

    What's even more unbelievable is when a poster makes a point, then it gets disproven and yet they still keep quoting it as if it were true.
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    Maybe... just maybe the GSW can mask giving up a high amount of fast break points by having one of the best historical 3pt shooting seasons in NBA history...

    I know, what a crazy notion. Come back to me when the Houston Rockets can shoot at the volume AND EFFICIENCY of the GSW. Hey, maybe that just mask the high rate of turnovers and fast break opportunities the Rockets allow. Shooting at historical paces of efficiency does that to your team. It's called an outlier.
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  17. fchowd0311

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    A one game sample size where he almost shoots 50% from the 3pt line is evidence for you?
     
  18. aelliott

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    That's one more game's worth of evidence than you've supplied.
     
  19. aelliott

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    You still haven't answered my question: Do you know that this is a problem for the Rockets? If it is then it's simple to provide some facts to backup your point.

    Do you have any facts to demonstrate your point?

    What's the point of going back and forth about what you think may be happening when with less than 5 minutes of research you can conclusively prove your point.

    If you can't backup your own claims then why should anyone take them seriously?
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    No, it's zero games of evidence because my scenario would require a game where Harden shoots poorly from the 3 pt line with a high volume of 3pt misses.

    Do the same thing regarding Harden turnovers. How many points do opponents score of Harden turnovers.

    Anyways, any meaningful analysis would require a sample size of the whole season, not one game where he actually shot well from the 3 pt line. I just don't have to do that. I'm sorry that 3rd year mechE major does't give ample amounts of time for such nuanced analysis of James Harden. hey, you have more time in your life for a nuanced debate regarding this subject matter. I don't. Yes, my entire point is based on common sense and conjecture. Sue me. 99% of this message board is also. Now if your life allows you to go tally every game log this season and point out every missed 3pt shot that led to a fastbreak point and every turnover from Harden that led to points for the opponent, then good on you. I don't have that time. If that makes me a worse 'Rocket fan', then so be it.
     
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