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Blow it up

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OTMax, Feb 6, 2016.

  1. snowconeman22

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    You can't get rid of harden for anything less than a godfather offer . I'm talking number one pick , multiple other picks , and a top young player already showing NBA success .

    What changed from last year ? It's hard to evaluate given how every team changes , the NBA meta game changes , and players change .

    Harden is still a top 10 guy . He needs some help to get bs k to being a consensus top 5 .

    Here's the secret , it's all coaching . Effort ?? A direct correlation to coaching . Scheme ..? The same .

    Coaching is why San Antonio has been a top franchise for two decades plus. There is a lot of talent on the roster . The coach needs to work better to come up with using the team . At least mchale could command respect and get players to play hard on defense for the most part .

    Our whole situation is ****ed . And just how it suddenly became ****ed , it can become un****ed . But that will be all random , the only way to guarantee improvement is to hire a great staff .
     
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  2. YOLO

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    Defense has been the problem all year. Thats by far the #1 issue. Everything else just falls after that. You can pick plenty of aspects as a result.
     
  3. rocketsmetalspd

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    Ok, James stays who to trade on the 18th that can help turn the season around? The only trading chips Morey has are Dwight, TJones, KJ, Dekker, Lawson, and DMo. Morey is on the clock to get something anything done.
     
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  4. Newlin

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    I've been saying this all season. New coach won't change anything long term. Trading a couple of players at the bottom of the rotation won't change anything. Harden and Howard will never work. Change it as soon as possible. Why wait? Durant is a pipe dream. Blow it up. Completely. Let's start fresh. Now.
     
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  5. TheFreak

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  6. Newlin

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    So, you want to build around a player that has "many, many flaws?"

    No thank you.
     
  7. kingkingston

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    hate to see what the fans will be like when we spend the next 5-10 years in the lottery if we trade everything away
     
  8. Cashmoney

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    He has three flaws/question marks at this point:

    * Defense
    * Turnovers (unforced carelessness)
    * Leadership
     
  9. kingkingston

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    every player has flaws, people here just want perfection

    there is no player who doesn't have flaws
     
  10. Drogba

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    I also agree with blowing it up. Dwight in hindsight was a massive bust and we're not going to win **** with just Harden in this Warriors era.

    Sell high on Harden, so he can excel elsewhere and rebuild through the draft like all great teams do. If that clown Morey had just drafted Kawhi like he should've maybe our fortunes would be different.
     
  11. kingkingston

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    go through the draft and we won't be competing for 10 years
     
  12. UTAllTheWay

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    We can sit here and talk about coaching all we want... but you need guys that will buy in.

    From what I've seen, Harden doesn't buy into anything. He does his own thing.

    If it truly is like that, then get rid of him.

    And that's not defending JB. I think this team needs a new coach next season too, but even if they get someone like Thibs... does Harden buy in? I seriously doubt it.
     
  13. kingkingston

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    also helps if you get a great in Tim Duncan on the 1 year you bottom out
     
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  14. Codman

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    I don't think the numbers lie. It's obvious that this isn't going to be James' best season, and the reasons for that vary, with many of our assumptions probably being incorrect. He's become better with the assists and his rebounds have been decent for his size. True, James has had some horrendous games, especially in the turnover department, and I'm not arguing that he hasn't had growing pains as he's attempted to become a leader. He's a young, 26 year-old-superstar.

    LeBron,Melo,Durant,etc have all had the same developmental troubles. It's part of the role-player/rookie to superstar continuum.

    His numbers don't yield the whole "Robin" in a Batman/Robin duo in the NBA. James is definitely the Batman, but the overall chemistry he has with Dwight isn't the best--I agree.

    Either way, his stats from last year, and at some points, this year, show a guy that can take over games and lead our guys over the hump.

    Look, I place a great deal of responsibility on James for the season the Rockets have had, but there are internal issues that have been detrimental to James, and to be fair, the entire roster. We invested to build around James, and that is still a good decision. The numbers also show that James and Dwight need more help on the offensive end because, despite the talent our roster has, the chemistry just hasn't been there this year. Again, James is still learning how to constructively communicate with his teammates, but our scoring woes also are the result of the type of offense that Kevin/Morey/(whomever you believe) implemented over the last few years. It's a system that's designed for long-range shooters and slashers. I'd say half of our guys are built, or can grow, into that type of system.

    IMO, this type of offense somewhat limits James' options and individual progression as a player. We're just starting to put him in the post lol. If the offense were better designed, James would score more easily because he would be shooting from a variety of areas. He's really more talented than jacking up 3s and driving to the basket. Seriously, his talent is through the roof, but we haven't built upon his talent with the current offense. Again though, there is no excuse for his turnovers and lack of defense.

    At this point in his career, Dwight would be your "Robin." However, we've used Dwight poorly for the last 2 years, and it seems like we've had a drop off in player development in the post. Well, DM hasn't had/acquired a decent-shooting 4 since the days of PatPat and Scola. (DMo doesn't count...he needs to be healthy for this discussion.)That's another front-office issue, but it has impacted James, too. If he had another weapon in the post, the pressure to score would lessen even more. The load that James has to shoulder on the offensive end is a result of poor chemistry, a overly-simple,predictable offense, and unfortunately, at times, a personal decision James makes when he's frustrated. It's a vicious cycle of a player, a system and a team that have not mixed well this year.

    I'm hopeful that this is a learning experience for him, both as a player and as a person. He has the chance to be one of the best, but he has to learn to trust his teammates more and make a personal change to become a better defender. That will help with the turnovers and controlling the other team's output.

    Still, if I were the GM, I wouldn't trade James for less than his value. To me, there isn't another player in the league with his value at this point. It's too risky of a move, unless you're rebuilding, and the Rockets are not on that path yet.

    I think the best move is to continue to build around James (with a better offense and solid defensive scheme), but at the same time, work to develop him as a leader from a maturity standpoint.
     
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  15. kingkingston

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    well you don't know much then, he and Harden are tight as he coached him at the World titles. He was one of the main reasons Harden improved defensively last season
     
  16. Newlin

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    Lack of effort is the one flaw that you can't have.
     
  17. kingkingston

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    the problem is, if you want to play a three point shooting game style, then get some consistent three point shooters to use that game plan
     
  18. Cashmoney

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    Great post
     
  19. Newlin

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    If you can trade a Moses Malone, you can trade anyone.
     
  20. kingkingston

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    also Pat Beverley is a back up point guard who use to be able to hang his hat on defence, he isn't that good defensively anymore. He can't keep up with other point guards
     

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