Free Montrezl Harrell

This man cant come up with an argument to save his life. Saying over and over like a broken record that he is 10th among PFs in technicals. So what? do you not see how soft todays nba is? An ejection today is a common foul in the 80s. The kid plays with heart and energy. What do you want him to do? Clap harder? Ffs. People with that much heart are a diamond in the rough and you want our organization to tame it.

 

"Montrezl Harrell deserves more playing time. The guys love playing with him" -JB .

What the fxck happened to that ****? This teams is in its own way.

 

but it is what TJones does. Can't you see that?

This team is not winning with him and his skillset, upside, potential as a rocket has been reached. He gets little burn and we have to run small ball all too frequently - which again, is not resulting in wins.

It is time to move past that and move on to a player that has proven to energize the team with his limited minutes.

Hell, I'm already beyond this season honestly, because I don't see a move that generates the success we had last season so I'd rather cultivate/determine what talent we have available.

Twill junior doesn't interest me in the slightest, but Harrell does, primarily because it's at a position of need.

It's not being a ### only fan. It's called being a rockets fan and wanting to see what we have while we can.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the lack of burn is due to Morey trying to trade TJones and get whatever he can. I'm resolved to taking a second rounder or two for him and don't think he needs playing time to get that.

Will Tjones bounce back next year? Undoubtedly so - but he's focused on next year as well and it's painfully obvious he's a net negative on the current iteration of the rockets.

why is this hard for you to see and why must you resort to labels to try and undermine a solid take?

 

While most of what u said is spot on he is not a better weakside defender, and he does not shoot better freethrows, but having said that this post here is where ur lack ofknowledge either about our team or basketball shows....everything you just stated jones does better we have no use for and dont want in our pf except for the range, which he is still way below average in so you cant factor that in.

Harrell is a better weakside blocker, he has better defensive awareness (rotations) thats due to jones complete lack of a basketball iq, he is a much better defender period.
He finishes at the basket much better, he rebounds better, he is much less turnover prone because he doesent think hes a pg in a pf body.

 

This is the frustrating thing to me about Terrence Jones. He acts like he's a point guard but he doesn't pass the fxcking ball.

 

I'm not even sure we should give Jones credit for "more range" I mean, it's like saying Dwight Howard has more range than DeAndre Jordan. Jones is at 32% and falling when it comes to his 3 point shot despite 95% of his attempts being open or wide open and he's only hitting 28.1% of jump shots. With a similar sample, I'm not sure Harrell would have significantly worse numbers.

 

Hard to stay in the game when you foul too much and getting hit with technicals, that's overlooking the fact that he still doesn't really know where he needs to be.

Did y'all like Howard getting technicals last night? Do you like player's who can't focus their energy productively?

Spare me your "NBA is soft now", as you have to play in today's game.

 

We absolutely do want versatile PF that can put the ball on the floor, why do you think we got Smith again? Smith who essentially does what TJones does better, except scoring efficiently.

Terrance Jones is shooting 67% from FT and Harrell is 54%. You can look at their college stats too.

Disagreed. He doesn't block more than Jones, even at looking at PER. They are both pretty low IQ players, Harrell is just athletic enough to recover sometimes.

Harrell does finish at the basket better but he doesn't rebound better.

Basketball reference is your friend.

There's is nothing to suggest that one is head and shoulders above the other.

 

Well he's actually done it the NBA over 171 games played.

Jones PER has been above average his first three seasons and has scored efficiently in terms save for this season. Most knowledgeable people saw TJones's skillset. Maybe his nerve injury will cause his career to become underwhelming or maybe TJones just doesn't have the mentality to improve.

 

He's done what? He's a career 31% 3 point shooter....he shot like 28% last season if you include the post-season.

As to the reason he hasn't shown any real improvement or development since he was in college, it's probably because he has so little going on upstairs. Sure we saw the athleticism that you are calling his skillset, but since that's all he's ever had going on, most knowledgeable fans weren't too high on him.

 

Jones's skill set was an oversized SF in high school and college. I'm not saying he is known for his range but that's it is better than Harrell.

Then why are you higher on Harrell? He is a low iq player who used his strength and athleticism to his advantage. Maybe he can develop range with practice but I wouldn't count on him being than Jones this season.

 

An oversized SF that can't shoot the ball worth a damn....and I don't know that he can really shoot the ball better than Harrell if given the same looks.

Harrell is like a version of Jones that has better measurables, better athleticism, better BBIQ, that actually plays competent defense on occasion.

The Rockets have already won one game by benching Jones for Harrell and likely would have won more if they had made that move. Sure Jones is good for 2 or 3 really good games a season, but the rest of the time he's hot garbage.

Now that said, Harrell will make rookie mistakes....but it's acceptable because he's a rookie. Jones makes those same rookie mistakes and he's been in the league for years. If Harrell is still making the same rookie mistakes when his rookie deal is about to expire, I'll be a lot less high on him.

Since Jones is an awful shooter and that's the only possible thing you could tout over Harrell, I just don't see anything that Jones actually brings to the table over Harrell in a game. When we need porous defense and 50% shooting on layups we'll call Jones.

 

Harrell shot a total of 40 three pointers over 3 college seasons.... You should at least learn a little about the type of Harrell is. It really makes you look foolish when you don't do your homework and just push your agenda.

If shooting is an issue for you, then why are you higher on Harrell in that aspect? He was never a shooter.

What makes you think Harrell has better bball IQ? Clearly you've never watched him play in college or have a grasp on what bball IQ is.

I won't disagree about the measurements but TJones had more of an impact on the court in his collegiate career and the numbers back it up.

....right.

Jones got better each season until this one and measured out as slightly above average in terms of production. So far Jones's rookie season has been more productive and Harrell has already played in more games in his respective season than Jones.

If Jones is awful then Harrell is abysmal. Aside from TJones's handles, better rebounding, better weakside blocking and defense?

For context in the NBA for their entire time:

Jones is 70% at less than 3 feet.
DMo is 64% at less than 3 feet.
Harrell is 78% at less than 3 feet.

TJones is at 64% this season at less than 3 feet.

 

Some of you folks need new glasses if you just eyeball for analysis....

 

I'm sure you didn't watch Harrell down in RGV but he can hit the 3 every now and again....pretty much like Jones. Again, Jones is shooting 32% from 3 this season despite the fact that right at 95% of his attempts are either open or wide open. The kid can't shoot. Watching Harrell shoot 3's down at RGV, I think he could hit about 30% of open 3's so the shooting between the two is negligible.

That said, even if Harrell is a worse shooter, it's irrelevant because Jones is a terrible shooter too. Like I originally said, it's like arguing between Howard and DeAndre Jordan when talking about who shoots the 3 better.

I'm not sure why you think Jones even has a BBIQ, we're nearly 4 years into his career and he still can't pick up how to make proper defensive rotations....something Harrell is already better than Jones at.

Part of the reason why Jones sucks so much at basketball is that he's dumb as a bag of rocks. Seriously, zero mental progression since he came into the league. Harrell is a rookie and is further along than that despite rarely playing.

You can't disagree about the measurables and Harrell has made more of a positive impact on the court for the Rockets this season than Jones has. Watch the games and you'd see that in a heartbeat.

He hasn't gotten any better at anything. I'm not sure why you think that, but it's just straight up wrong.

 

You can't compare Harrell and Jones without factoring in experience. If the argument is that tight between which player is better already then it makes sense that the one with less experience has a greater upside . It is beyond reason at this point to expect TJ to learn how to play smart basketball . He has way too many mental lapses and on top of that his motor is on and off . He does have some skills that are above average for a big guy , but those are useless until he can do necessary big man things like box out , be aggressive dunking the ball , and play solid team ball ( be in the right spot ) on both ends .

Harell has a lot of work to do , but you never question the effort with him . I don't know how high his bball iq is , but gaining experience can help players learn where to be at the right time . Not everyone gets it , and Harrell may never get it . But the point is that he is a rookie so no one knows how much he will improve on the mental aspects of the game .

Right now the best TJ can bring us is to be super aggressive and "make plays" , by that I mean get o rebounds and putbacks , crash the boards , occasionally fly in for a weak side block and hustle after loose balls . With montrezl I already know he is going to go after those things . He plays a bit more out of control at times , but he also knows his limits better . Jones is a huge black hole once he gets in the paint and will try things like going coast to coast . With Harrell , being a rookie is enough of a deterrent to keep him from attempting dumbass things that have a low percentage of success . TJ can only choose be aggressive and everything goes or be passive . Of the two aggressive is better but also leads to stupid mistakes . On top of that he isn't aggressive all the time ? Because of his motor ? Harrell is the clear choice to me and you give him 10 games of pt to see if he can start to pick up on some of the subtleties of the game .

 

I'm using numbers to present an objective analysis and you are using a coloring book and crayons.

 

I'd give Harrell those 8 minutes JB gives his lover Brew at PF.