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David Blatt Fired

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by DorianTurk, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. Icehouse

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    And you know this how?

    No he doesn't. The team was over the cap once LeBron, Love and Irving got their deals. They had no flexibility to add a player of Thompson's caliber.

    No he isn't. His contract will look like a discounted one once the cap increases. In the open market he could have gotten a max deal from other teams. No one will be surprised to see our PFs, who are arguably worse, get bigger deals this summer.

    The Cavs would not be better off with no Thompson and only a minimal deal to get a replacement. And please stop saying LeBron owns an agency and is getting commission unless you can prove it.
     
  2. roslolian

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    I have no problems with using clout but in this case it interferes with winning.

    Lebron asking the owner to give ur boyz jobs in the org? That's clout and ok doesnt interfere with winning.

    Morey hiring Mchale partly based on his boston roots? Somewhat toeing the line but since Mchale impressed in interviews anyway despite his boston rep, thats fine.

    Lebron not listening to Blatt from day 1 because he wanted Marc Jackson (who was incompetent i gsw btw) the coaching gig so LBJ can earn commissions...wtf? From an objective pov, who is the best coach? Blatt? Jackson? Or tyron ****ing lue? Lue isnt even an amazing playmaking pg, he was just average from what I remember! And he is supposed to be better than Blatt who has decades of bball exp and was considered one of the best in europe? Either LBJ isnt serious about winning anymore or his ego has gotten too big. Eitherway cleveland has become a joke amd their title chances just became 0 this season thanks to this move.
     
  3. Icehouse

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    How has it interfered with winning? Getting along with Blatt doesn't help the Cavs win a title as long as the 2nd and 3rd best players were hurt. Cavs were winning this season as well.
     
  4. professorjay

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    The money LeBron makes from his agency commissions are pennies compared to his own contract. And that is pennies compared to his endorsement deals. To think LeBron is so concerned about making money from Thompson or anyone else's contact commissions is ridiculous.

    And I wonder if everyone here thinks Mike Brown was a genius coach worth keeping his entire tenure in Cleveland.
     
  5. DMO (DJ remix)

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    Let's see if Cavs will even get out of East now, i could see Bulls and maybe possibly someone else like Raps (highly unlikely) upsetting them. Bulls are really are not that far of the reach to beat them.
     
  6. roslolian

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    What if the 2nd and 3rd option become healthy? The point is blatt helps the cavs to a ring more than tyron lue (who was on the staff already). Are u seriously asking me how has this interfered with winning? U think lue is a better coach at this point than david blatt?
     
  7. roslolian

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    Brown is different from Blatt why are u talking like they are equal? Brown was someone who clearly coasted on lbj's coattails, Blatt wasnt even given a fair shake his first year lbj was disregarding his plays there was even vid of him not following the plays amd ahoving the coach. Y dont u look at the guy's resume he may be a rookie in the nba but the guy has decades in europe as one of the best comparing him to brown is like comparing old juwan howard to 29 year old nba rookie Luis Scola.
     
  8. Icehouse

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    I wasn't impressed with Blatt's coaching. As another poster said, Blatt has been getting bashed for his coaching since last season. To be such a coaching genius, the Cavs offense looked as vanilla as ours.
     
  9. DreamRun95

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    Blatt never got a chance to coach properly. Alot of people in the international basketball scene familiar with Blatt have come out saying that NBA Blatt is not the same as the one they knew. They tell of stories how he dared to bench his 2 best players in a game for interrupting a time out when he was coaching before. That sort of thing didn't happen in Cleveland. I get he is new to the NBA but is basketball so different in the NBA compared to international ball? Maybe the respect from NBA players for international ball is not there.
    The usual hierarchy for sports organisation is :

    Owner -> GM -> Coach -> Player

    How is it a coach suppose to rein in a player that even the GM and owner is scared of. Basketball has always been a sport where one transcendent talent alone can nearly carry a team to the end. Keyword being nearly. Easier to hire a new coach than get a top 5 player.
     
  10. Icehouse

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    ^^^ Part of coaching is asserting your authority and winning the locker room. McHale lost the locker room and lost his job. If a coach can't get his players to respect him and listen to him then he's not the right coach for that team.
     
  11. professorjay

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    My point is a winning record and reaching the finals does not mean you are the right person for the jo. Everyone who's incredulous that you shouldn't be fired just because you have the record need look no further than the Cavs very own Mike Brown.

    As I've said before, Blatt did not necessarily get a fair chance, but it's not about what's right or fair, it's about what's best and I felt this would be his last season for awhile.

    As for his resume, that has absolutely no effect on the next game he coaches. Especially coming from an international or college background, the NBA is a different job. No one really knows if he's a good NBA coach yet, but I think he can be.
     
  12. Phreak3

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    The commissions aren't the point... it's more about growing his agency for the long term... building his own empire so to speak, so that his grand kids and their kids are collecting fat checks for generations to come.
     
  13. professorjay

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    I guess no one is really privy to his entire business, but it's still ridiculous to me to think he's that concerned over a single contract in a small cog (the agency) of his vast business empire. And he'd really sacrifice his current team and winning a championship in Cleveland to cement his legacy just to get Tristan a bigger contract. He's made big money off of the sale of Beats, is invested in Liverpool, has the ridiculous Nike contract, just to name a few in what must be a very massive and diversified portfolio.

    If anything, he probably overrates TT because he was the only serious help LBJ had in the championship series vs the Warriors (plus a sprinkling of Delly madness). That said, the Cavs have looked kind of lousy this season, and while I thought we didn't need him, he's been pretty important this year too.
     
  14. Rox11

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    Lol at all the lebron hate.

    The cavs know they could have done it the Rockets way. Start to throw games and show the players are not responding to justify the firing. Instead, they did not want to lose any games in the process and went ahead and did it. Is lebron a dbag? Sure, but if anybody can be given the rights to make moves he should be one that can.

    The bulls will never get passed any team lebron is on.
     
  15. IzakDavid13

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    McHale never lost the locker room or lost the players...
     
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    Downright mutinous by Lebron and company.
     
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  17. malakas

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    WOJ. That's how I know it and before you start your barrage of defending Lebron read around and inform yourself about who is the money and the brain and the one who benefits behind Klutch sports. LOL at wanting me to prove it. Go inform yourself about Klutch Sports. Everyone knows it.

    Er yeah he does. Because now he's untradeable and one of the worst contracts in the league. He has negative value. Ridiculous money in the same position for both the starter pf and the backup.

    But the most ridiculous of all is that you think that TT would get such a contract in the open market. :grin: oH yeah taht's why so many teams were after him. Like Portland who had tens of millions to spare..oh wait they didn't they went after Monroe and Kanter.

    DMO is not worse than TT. He is much better and he won't get a max contract with his health. And neither will Jones with the way he's playing.

    Since you think that this was a good decision tell me ONE team in the league that would trade positive value for Thompson and his contract right now. ONE.
    Money is nice. More money is nicer.
    Power is nice. More power is nicer.

    Machiavelli 101.
     
  18. roslolian

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    How can he win the locker room when LBJ doesn't want him as HC? Blatt isn't a Jedi he can't Jedi mind trick Lebron into liking him, I guess Blatt should've fired his agent and signed with Klutch Sports that would've made Lebron respect and listen to him, right????

    This isn't about Blatt, this is about how Lebron got his coach fired so he can put someone inferior on the job. If he was 100% about winning he wouldn't do this because no matter if professor J or you aren't impressed with his coaching, he's still better than ******* Tyron Lue. This shows Lebron isn't 100% about winning, because if he was worried about his legacy and his rings he wouldnt get Blatt fired and have Lue replace him. I can accept if it was an established or experienced coach like Thibs or SVG or JVG or whoever, but c'mon are you gonna say Tyron Lue puts them in a better position over Blatt?
     
  19. roslolian

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    I can understand this but why replace him with Tyron Lue? Even if you think Blatt lost the team does Tyron ****ing Lue have any hope of regaining the locker room? Cavs got whupped by the Bulls, a team they beat many times before with Blatt and the excuse is the entire Cavs team is too fat. All these are just excuses, because if they were serious about Blatt being bad for the team they would've replaced him with someone better than Tyron Lue.
     
  20. malakas

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    Yes.
    Like Jackson one of the coaches with the worst reputation did, and made Lebron immediately push for his hiring.
    Like Lue the compromise was pushed to do.
     

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