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Academy Members Defend Oscar Votes: "To Imply We Are Racists Is Extremely Offensive."

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jan 20, 2016.

  1. JayGoogle

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    You realize a big reason why african-americans have more opportunities now then is because of people like Tyler Perry and like Oprah, like Ice Cube?

    If all you think people are doing is "Whining" then you're wrong.
     
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    I wish I could host the oscars, "since the last 2 winners were white, straight outta Compton wins best picture to help reach our diversity goals, congrats"

    I liked straight outta Compton, actually bought the blue Ray directors cut 3 days ago. I think it's a cool fun movie for the younger generation(almost like a dazed and confused) but people have lost there god damn mind if they think it should be nominated for best picture. I love going to see movies but SOC but probably was barely top 10 for me

    As for diversity in the membership. It was probably a whole bunch of old rich white folks that started it like 88 years ago, and I don't think it's fair to say people who might have been apart it for maybe 25+ years to say their fired to meet a diversity quota

    The senerio of a "old rich white guy" being in charge is just some that is gonna happen until they die off and our generation begins to take lead
     
  3. MojoMan

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    Charlotte Rampling calls these recriminations out as acts of racism in their own right:

    It is offensive, isn't it? And unless these Hollywood elites are total selfish hypocrites, they will remember their experience with this the next time that they are tempted to rush to get behind some group rushes that is indiscriminately hurling racial insults and attacks when they do not get an outcome that they want.

    And yes, there is racism in our country, which is embraced and practiced by people of every skin color imaginable. But just because someone calls others names like this one, that does not mean that their accusations are truthful.
     
  4. JayGoogle

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    Well you found someone that used the dreaded Racist word and it wasn't a black person.

    Congrats? You still have not told me whose calling the voters racist? Whoopi for example explicitly said they were not.

    Did you by chance watch this? Where in this does he call the voters racist?

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  5. MojoMan

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    The people quoted in the article in the OP and Charlotte Rampling clearly feel like they have been. Are you saying that these people made that up?
     
  6. JayGoogle

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    So how they feel is what only matters to you? No one else?

    Just listened to a Macklemore song, I'll just quote him as it's relevant to this thread.

    "It seems like we're more concerned with being called racist
    Than we actually are with racism" seems to be the case here with some people.

    I've just not seen any of the people speaking out about this call the voters racist. They are being defensive about it because people called for more diversity and opportunity.
     
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    This is brilliant logic. Ask the people accused of racism whether they're racist. They say no, you accept it.

     
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    It is depending on what kind of representation

    One group is over-representated while the others are under-representated
     
  9. MojoMan

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    Your logic, that if a person makes an accusation of racism then the people being accused must be racists, is the same exact logic used by Joe McCarthy and his infamous crew back during the 1950's.

    This is what the Democrat left has brought us to with their political correctness agenda and their relentless promotion of identity politics.
     
  10. Dairy Ashford

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    Well if you're a minority and you don't want to hear about crime statistics or no call no shows at crappy retail jobs, you try to not ask the question in the first place and get on with your integrated, emancipated day.
     
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    Yet here you are, getting all bent up about the use of a word.

    A word that isn't even used. Some of the voters felt it was "Implied" and got extra defensive though lol. Again, you are more concerned with people using the word "Racist" then you are of actual racism. Did you listen to Elba's speech yet or does his feelings in opinion? You don't even care do you? You're just concerned about some white people being called racist or not.
     
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    I don't think you get it. The argument of who complains about this based on their race is irrelevant.

    If you can only play a stock character - you will only be seen as a stock character.

    How many women only get to play a helpless, sexy female in movies? Regardless of acting ability? That's sexism, but it's what audiences want.

    The same audiences simply wouldn't find it believable to have a black 18th century Queen in Europe, so black women historically have grown up just being black woman and role playing as that.

    Nowadays, it's a much different case. The main character in Star Wars is an ordinary black male, and he was cast because ordinary black males are perceived as ordinary males nowadays. Audiences buy into this.

    Within the black community, you have actresses like Stacy Dash who can pull off roles outside her ethnicity of being the sassy black woman. She also has cross platform sex appeal. There are plenty of black actresses on disney and teen romance shows that are more than their race because it reflects the times. The ones who complain, like jada smith, cannot. Her face is a bit too hard to be anything more than the strong black woman - this is what goes through an audience member's head subconsciously. Nothing to do with race - but with looks. And it's a shallow industry.

    It's more of a lesson in victimized,artsy whining than anything to do with race.
     
  16. JayGoogle

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    What? This is called typecasting and has nothing to do with representation and opportunities.

    Not only that, you bring up Stacey Dash as an example of this and say mess like this... "The ones who complain, like jada smith, cannot. "

    Just no. Stacey Dash has done nothing and isn't much of an actress, she doesn't get many roles despite her appearance which should tell you something about her lack of talent. Jada smith actually gets work.
     
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    "Representated"?

    Strong command of the English language.
     
  18. Honey Bear

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    Jada Smith gets the same type of role over and over again. She's only good at that one thing, and that's why she cries foul.

    Stacey Dash isn't as aggressive at this point in her career, and has had roles that do not bank on her race. It's more versatile. Think quality, not quantity.

    Chris Rock is going to complain because he looks and acts like the funny black man. The average audience member won't see him as anything else, and this reality frustrates him.

    As a loser, you're well versed in the art of complaining. But as a winner, I can tell you, it's not a racial thing. There are hispanic actors good enough to get outside of their roles - Gael Garcia Bernal, Javier Bardem, etc. and they have received awards as well. Same goes for males of other ethnicities who have their own shows and receive accolades. The issue is minorities who raise their children in an atmosphere of victimizing - those kids will never do things like Denzel or Forest Whitaker.
     
  19. JayGoogle

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    Lol, yes. The role of "Lady" and "Reporter" are such quality roles there. Great points Ronny.

    Maybe because he's a comedian first? You don't seem to get how this works. Chris Rock is not likely to get any Oscar worthy roles and he knows that. It's mainly to do because he got into Hollywood thanks to comedy and not acting

    Complaining is for losers huh? Interesting. Seems like the people complaining are actually quite successful. Like Idris Elba, such a complaining loser...guess he's typecast and only gets cast as the same thing so he's just a loser complaining!
     
  20. MojoMan

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    Actors and actresses of all levels of skin pigmentation get typecast. It is just one of the realities of film making. If theses actresses and actors do not want to play these roles, nobody is forcing them to do it and they can hold out for the roles they do want. It is hardly racism and it is hardly limited in its practice to any one "race".
     

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