Yeah it is about movies. You don't really watch them, know much about them and don't understand the context of a george lucas quote you used. Why are you in the thread? You just ignored all the numbers. Ouch.
Sorry, here is the thread about movies. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=271818 This is a thread about diversity in the movie industry. I'm sorry that you can't get the context. You think it is about Rotten Tomatoes scores or something. Comprehension issues, at least for this thread you seem to have them. Instead of discussing the topic you'd rather go on and on about whether I've seen a movie or not or my knowledge of movies. Using some pretty weak logic "You haven't seen a movie so you know nothing about movies HAHA!" and continue to go on and on about this. If I posted "The Martian didn't deserve those nominations..." in that thread, then you'd have a point... Man, at least Bobby is on topic here...at least get on topic of the thread.
I'm not sure if giving people chances gets much thought when it comes to business, unfortunately. Usually these decisions are based on cold, hard numbers. I really have no idea how that would even be judged. Are Hispanics under-represented when you look at who goes into drama at a young age? What effect does having British/Australian thespians (who are almost all white) hugely over-represented in "juicy" American roles? It just seems like there are a lot more logical, complicated reasons for the disparity in numbers than simply saying, "greedy, liberal democrats are actually not 100% consumed with making their decisions based on money and are instead basing their decisions on blatant racism." That just does not seem likely on a grand scale.
You are the one who brought up quotes without understanding the context. Lucas disgracefully played the race card to bail his crap movie out. Without Oprah and the "scandal" it would have been an even bigger dog. This is why I bring up you knowing nothing about movies or the industry in general. DCKid knows. You can't use quotes, then when I respond to them tell me I'm off topic. Well YOU can, but it is obviously a dodge from your **** arguments.
actors not getting chances? cry me a ****ing river, it's Hollywood where a dozen get their chances and the rest of the hundreds of thousands don't no matter what race they are. why does their need to be representation of any race in that industry filled with 1000 levels of shadiness, politics and other underhanded dealings. Mainstream actors that actually make it are basically lottery winners
To complain about diversity in wide release hollywood movies is the dumbest position of all time. Tons of great independent movies for everyone.
You are right, it's a lot more complex. It comes down to money as does everything but when you have directors that just flat out say they can't sell a movie to be made because of the fears that a minority can't lead a movie and you have numerous actors speaking out on it and even the Academy itself recognizing it as a problem you can't just rule it out automatically. Lol what? You just said "I don't believe him." I then quoted Ridley Scott and you just ignored it completely. So much for responding to quotes lol. You then go on about how the movie failed, but the movie failing doesn't make what he said and what he was told false. You just conveniently chose not to believe it.
You do realize that a lot of the "Crying" comes from people in the industry right? Well, it's a position that the Academy president is taking. I guess she knows nothing of movies.
Of course it does, most of the time people are screaming "THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!" they are talking about their industry.....doesn't make it any more valid.
Hey yeah, when people like Will Smith and Chris Rock say stuff about it I'm sure they are worried about not getting a job in Hollywood and that is the source of their whining...
When I am presented with information that sounds suspect like "this is the first all black movie" (which is completely false) I look at motives. His motive was to sell his crap movie so he used the race card. You don't really know much about it so it makes sense you don't get it. He wanted Fox to sink millions into the movie for marketing. They said GTFO. All the Star Wars movies were independent why did he want studio money for this one? WEIRD!
1000 levels of shadiness sounds too damn high. There are 50 shades of Black people. There can't be more than 3 shades of White. At least that's true in color movies. Black and white movies was a different story, having technical issues with representing all shades. But today, there is no excuse for the disproportion of Colors in our movies.
All except for A New Hope. Seems you don't know what you're talking about. BTW when talking about this issue in Hollywood Lucas goes deeper than just his own issues. I'm sure though he has less experience than you on it though.
Hmm...nothing to do with race here. I'm sure any black, latina, asian, or in between had a shot at winning that huge role. It'd be like holding a basketball tryout and saying "All players should be african-american..."
Jay, you're embarrassing yourself. Just stop. It's art, stop b****ing about how they choose to make their art. It's just as petty and stupid as people b****ing about how Samuel L. Jackson played Nick Fury....a character that was originally white. BS like that only matters to people like you who overly fixate on racial angles. It's not healthy.
Someone was just proven wrong, so do they counter back? No. OF course not. They just say "You are embarrassing yourself. Stop proving me wrong." Or again...the people who dream of being actors and would like the role no? It doesn't' matter to them? I mean you and others would have me believe that they cast the best actor and don't look at skin color. Clearly that's not always the case in Hollywood now is it? That's a fact. when casting Katniss (written to have no race btw) they clearly screened out every actress that wasn't white. How is that on merit again? You don't care, because it doesn't affect you. But it does affect young minorities who dream of being on those screens. The fact is you won't accept that the truth that has been put before you. You rather just discount the experiences of others. All facts. Any stats. Whatever it takes to feed your imagination. Thankfully, decent people don't think this way or there would have never been progress since the 50s. "Just crying about racism!" that has to be your main go to move. You don't even address the point. "They only looked for white females for the Katniss role" Bobby "Oh, that's just crying racism." When casting Finn for example they did not look at race. Had they had the same casting call for TFW..."Looking for Caucasian male..." You realize that Boyega would then not have gotten the role? Does this not compute for you? Sam Jackson as Nick Fury is a COMPLETELY different topic. (Which Katniss fits into) That's a topic of if characters should be race flipped or changed around. Do I want Idris Elba to play Roland Deschain in whatever adaption the Dark Tower gets? NO, I do not. In the books he was white. Clearly. Love Idris, but meh I'm not a fan of race flipping characters or really adaptions that stray too far from the source material (As evidenced by what I said about the Martian) But with Katniss, a character described as basically being of no race and as vague as possible it wasn't even race flipping. It was just "Nah, she has to be white." So all non-white actresses never had a shot at the role. Which contradicts your point above that any one that's good gets it...eh, not seemingly always the case.
