Has nothing to do with plagerism or copyrights or anything like that. It's just the owners of the movies (Disney) determining what will or will not be officially acknowledged regarding strictly the movie universe. They didn't "erase" the expanded universe like some have said. They just have chosen not to involve them in their movies.
HP: There is a very good Wikipdeia article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon Basically: Disney acquisition, canon revision and Star Wars Legends[edit] On October 30, 2012, Lucasfilm was sold to The Walt Disney Company for $4.05 billion. After the acquisition, Disney and Lucasfilm established Lucasfilm Story Group, a committee whose job is to keep track of and define the "canon" in an effort to unify the films, comics, and other media with the existing canon.[1][2] On April 25, 2014, Lucasfilm and Disney removed all Expanded Universe works from the canon. They announced that the existing six films and The Clone Wars television series are the "immovable objects" of Star Wars storytelling. Previously published material has been relabeled under a "Legends" label, and future content will present a different vision of people, places and events after Return of the Jedi. They also announced that all future Star Wars stories will be connected and on equal canon level as the films, with guidance coming from the Star Wars story group. Additionally, it was announced that the films of the sequel trilogy will not follow the same story as that of the Expanded Universe works taking place after the events of Return of the Jedi.[3] The first official canon novel in the revised continuity was Star Wars: A New Dawn by John Jackson Miller, which is a prequel novel to Star Wars Rebels. It was released September 2, 2014.[4] They literally have a committee whose job is to determine what is considered in and out in the Star Wars universe.
Disney bought the rights to everything. They decided to make some canon, and the other part "legend." Legend being basically fan fiction.
cool, thx. So, they are basically saying anything previously made or written depicting post Return of the Jedi universe is not part of "canon," but rather "Legend." Everything in the Lucas movie "universe" is "immovable objects." One last question, and I know you guys have been discussing this, but in terms that are somewhat foreign to me... Is the idea of Gray Jedi in the The Clone Wars television series...or only of "legend."
Well, idk about Gray Jedi's but I know the Eternal Empire (they're not Jedi's nor Siths, some people consider them Gray Jedi) is non-canon since they're from the games & those are considered non-canon too.
What I find interesting here is basically this means we KNOW that Luke/Leia will not die in 8 (unless we are talking Force Ghosts for 9). They are in it for the duration. That's a pretty big admission in my book.
Not only Post Return Of the Jedi (Or Galactic Civil War) but Pre Clone Wars stuff is non-canon too. So The Knights Of the Old Republic game series is non-canon What TracyMac said is true, technically Gray Jedi are non-canon I think (As in it's not a term mentioned yet in anything canon)...but the idea of a Gray Jedi is open to interpretation. All it means is someone trained in the force but not adhering to the Sith or Jedi code or basically someone that strays more into the middle. One thing to remember though is it's not like Disney said "Okay, all of this stuff outside of these two periods (Clone Wars, Galactic Civil War) in the Star Wars timeline is irrelevant." It just fits outside of the movie timeline. For example, the Yuuzhan Vong are a big part of the EU and they thought about putting one into Star Wars Rebels show...or the idea that Luke goes off to form a New Jedi Order is also part of the EU. I think Disney just understood that there was a lot of Star Wars lore and it would be easier for them moving forward to just brush it aside. It doesn't mean it all means nothing though as it's obvious it seems that they are pulling from it what they think is good or useful. Basically Disney can still use the EU for inspiration and it seems they have.
Can someone answer me this? I watched shaky cam version and I notice when Kylo was monologuing to Vader's helmet, he says "grandfather" That means Kylo knows Vader is related to him. Shouldn't that mean he knows Vader (anakin) turned to the light side before he died and saved Luke? What is it Kylo needs to finish that Vader started if he knows Vader turned good. Also I confirmed that Poe was the one that shot the stormtrooper that wipes blood on Finn's helmet. That seemed to be pretty traumatic moment for Finn but yet he was able to shrug that off and become buddy buddy with Poe. Of course he needed Poe to get off the ship so maybe he ignored it OR Finn himself didn't see Poe shoot the stormtrooper. After watching it a 2nd time, It was more believable that Finn and Rey held their own against Kylo. 1st off Kylo was just toying with Finn. Once Finn got that lucky shot Kylo easily disposed of him. Plus that Blaster shot from the crossbow should have been pretty damaging. He took that right in the side of the gut. I mean prior to that the crossbow was doing exploding damage. I thought it was funny that after all those years Han and Chewie have been together, Han has NEVER tried using chewie's crossbow before. I'm going to miss their relationship. I wonder if Chewie is the next to go now that he doesn't have Han.
cool, thx. My idea of Jedi v Sith always assumed the main point was that you can't master the force to amazing powers *unless* you focus all your training on one side or the other. In my mind, middle is muddled and can't be as powerful. But maybe I'm just too focused on the idea of Good v Evil are most powerful in their extremes, like Jesus vs Satan or Santa in South Park. Speaking of which, Kylo Ren's character seems to be inspired by the whimpy, conflicted Satan in South Park who needs Sadam Hussein (Snoke) to be his master and keep him on the right path.
Anakin turned good, then Vader-bad, then good again? I thought it was just about Vader had strong blood ties that conflicted his resolve to annihilate all Jedi and the rebel. What Kylo "needs to finish" is probably a simple plot line, repeated over again. Vader wanted to crush the rebellion. Kylo wants to finish that, and the writers chose to almost completely copy that plot of a Evil-doer conflicted by family ties. no?
First off - why watch the CAM version of this? I mean its one of the few movies I wanted to watch in the theaters. Anyways as to your question at least how I think of it: Spoiler The only people who knows what happened on the Death Star II was Luke, Vader and the Emperor. Luke gave Vader a proper Jedi funeral and cremation. I am sure he told Leia what ultimately happened with Vader. Problem is who else would believe him? Up until that point not a single Jedi turned Sith had gone back to being a Jedi. Once you became a Sith you became a Sith. So while Luke could have told the universe what happened I highly doubt many would have believed or even wanted to believe him. Vader was more the terrifying face of the Empire than the Emperor himself was. Now Leia should have known of course and should/would have told Ben and I am sure training with Luke he probably was told as well. But the one thing everyone keeps saying in TFA is how he was "Brainwashed by Snoke" so that was probably part of his brainwashing. "Vader was always a Sith and it was just lies spun by Luke so he wouldn't feel bad about killing his father" (though Ren does this himself) As for the "finish what you started" I think it refers to wiping out the Jedi once and for all so the Sith could rule and bring "peace" to the universe.
Are we sure Vader turned good? Hell, there are a lot of people who thought Luke turned to the dark side at the end of ROTJ. Like heyp said, I think he was just conflicted because of blood ties. I think Finn's struggle was more that he didn't even know what he was fighting for. In the second trailer (I think) you can hear him say that. When he saw his friend die it really hit him hard that he could die fighting for someone/ some cause that he doesn't at all believe in.
It's funny how Anakin/Vader cracks under the pressure of seeing things fry by electricity. Palpatine fries...chops off Windu's hand. Luke fries....throws palpatine over the rail. moral of the story. STAY WAY FROM FRIED STUFF
I watched it in the theater already the 1st time. I just couldn't wait until next weekend when I'm taking my wife now that she's finished 4,5, and 6. TFA has really gotten me back into Star wars. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the story unfolds in the next episodes. You're right about the brainwashing part.
When you start talking about the darkside vs lightside it gets a little muddy IMO. Basically though if you shoot force lightning then that's seen as channeling the darkside. A Gray Jedi would be someone for example that could be morally good or evil, all the way on either side...but just willing to use whatever is available to them to get the job done. If you see the force as a tool then being Gray makes a ton of sense, why is shooting lightning evil if you use it to save lives? I think you're right any ways, the strongest force users are those that are one side or the other, at least it's always been that way.
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