I actually agree with this. If TJ were able to maintain his shooting percentage from three with a higher volume the Rockets should keep him. I have my doubts though because we haven't seen it. Truth be told, scoring points has never really been problematic for him, when he is aggressive and involved. I was most impressed with his defense, activity, and effort while defending Randolph and Gasol. He made them both work and he showed decent awareness off the ball for a change.
That's not my point. You can't set the bar so high for TJ like _holic is doing and then turn around and say that if he doesn't meet that biasedly set high ceiling, he should be traded and has little to no value. _holic is just setting up an argument which he cannot lose. My point is as opposed to what he says, TJ has value in this league and has value in this team currently as the 1st big off the bench. Long term, I do think DMo has the higher ceiling and is the better player but to call TJ flat out garbage or has zero value to contenders is wrong.
I don't know why anyone still tries to reply to holic and bobby instead of just ignoring them. Those two clearly have biased agendas and will do and say anything to prop up and holify D-Mo while trashing T-Jones.
He is still rehabbing for his back due to continuing to experience back pains. All those people who tried to say because he isn't athletic so he will recover faster or won't be affected nearly as much are complete idiots who have no idea of what they are talking about at all. The back is part of your core. It is called core for a reason. It doesn't matter if D-Mo is not prime Dwight; back injuries are still extremely debilitating and will interfere with even the most basic of movements, let alone running up and down the court and trying to post up against NBA bigs.
Not only is this subtle narcissism, but it's incorrect, especially from the Rockets and league's perception. There are plenty of teams that are interested in Terrence Jones. Plenty. Let's look at your dismissal of "untapped potential." I'm assuming that you didn't look at how old TJ is (24). 24. Despite the setbacks and injuries, TJ has kept himself in shape, he's become a smarter defender (despite his thin frame) and he has extended his game to the 3-point line. His jumper is a work in progress, but that also goes for a significant portion of forwards in the league. You're not going to find many PFs with the touch of David West or Luis Scola. Those guys thrive with the pick-and-pop, but neither one is especially good from the 3-point line. AND, both are much older than TJ, with experience in the playoffs. Even IF the Rockets trade him to one of many teams who are interested, it does not mean that Morey or Les agree with your incorrect assertion that TJ is garbage. It does not mean that you have any more logic than the other posters who disagree with you, nor does a potential TJ trade suggest that you predicted things correctly. From a purely basketball perspective, your ideas about TJ and other players implies a weak understanding of player talent. DM has always been high on TJ, and despite our record, Morey's pretty good at assessing current talent, and of course, potential. So, using your term of "untapped potential"? Yeah, at 24, before his prime, with at least 10 more years in the league, I'd say so.
I think the TJ bashing has gotten out of hand. He's a role player. Sometimes they look like they can be more and other times they look horrible. Same goes for DMo. He certainly has his warts as well, but at the end of the day you're looking at maybe 12-15 points and 6-8 rebounds on average when given minutes from both of them. Also saying he needs to shoot 42% is just unrealistic and I should have acknowledged that. Anderson and Love don't even do that. 35%-38% would be just fine though at higher volume. I agreed with the premise of the post.
reading some of the guys above, has Dmo played enough with Lawson and Thornton? let´s keep the rotation in the first unit similar, but let´s try to bring together Ty and Dmo. Skillset can be complimentary, Lawson thrives starting the pick and roll, and DMo needs minutes running that.
I'm not setting any bar for Terrence. Terrence has proven repeatedly that he is just another player in the sea of NBA players. It's guys like you that go ape nuts when he throws up a good box score once in a while that try to pump him up as more than he is. For the season Terrence is taking 1.7 3-point attempts per game. That's not nearly enough. There are 20 other bigs in the Association that take more 3's and hit them at a rate as good or better than Terrence does. By the end of the season there'll be close to 40 or more bigs that will have taken more 3's and hit them at a rate as good or better than Terrence will have. His rebounding numbers are down for the second season in a row. He's now 27th out of 100 power forwards in the association in defensive rebounding. And his defense is as bad as its ever been. And his .efg is 38th out of 100 power forwards in the association. Setting the bar? Why would any knowledgeable basketball fan view Terrence as anything more than just another pedestrian NBA player? NOTE: I have never said there wouldn't be teams interested in Terrence. There's several teams that would like to have him as a throw-in on another trade or for a low second round pick. I have said he won't yield us a first round draft pick. And you can quote me on that. (And I hope I'm wrong.) And I've also been very clear since Dec of 2013 that Terrence wasn't the answer for us at the 4 and we should trade him then when his trade value was at it's maximum level. I have also very clearly stated that Terrence was not a rotation player on a championship level team. And I was very clear before Terrence ever played in the playoffs for the first time that he would most likely severely underperform in the playoffs. And he did. And he did again underperform in last year's playoffs significantly. And that is very unlikely to change much at all for the balance of his career. Folks, I know of no business that you invest in the business when it's going down. You don't step into a company that's losing money after they make one good money-making transaction, and buy them and pay a premium for the company after they've lost money for 3 straight years. That's Business 101. Same thing with Terrence. Nobody is going to invest significant assets in trade to acquire him. By the way FTW, I'm still waiting with bated breath for you to tell us who Terrence scored that 20 points on last night. Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock..............
If TJ can sustain the way he played last nite, I'm sorry but DMo may not be needed as much as you guys say. TJ's already hitting his 3's. But he can rebound and defend like the Memphis game we have our stretch 4 for the future. TJ's problem was never skill just effort and confidence
Terrence was the worst defensive rebounder on the floor last night on both teams save for Courtney Lee. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201601120MEM.html
Back injuries and the subsequent surgery and recovery takes more than a year for you to start feeling like yourself again. Although D-Mo was cleared to play from a medical standpoint, he was not at all fully recovered yet. It takes more than a year. And then from the point where he's fully recovered and strong again, he will have to put a lot of reps in at full strength to regain his touch. D-Mo was never going to be last year's D-Mo this year even if he didn't have this set-back. Back injuries and the healing process from surgery just takes a long time to recover fully from.
Very comical indeed. Then they like to play the 5th card when they know darn well they were wrong. They are the master of the Straw-man's argument around here.
Talk about cherry-picking stats, and you are not even close to being correct. Not sure what you're looking at, but TJ's TRB% was higher than Marc Gasol's last night. He's higher than several players no matter how you slice the data. Are you dyslexic like me? Because you mix up facts a lot.
