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Muslims bringing rape culture to Europe

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Jan 7, 2016.

  1. RocketsLegend

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    Trump will prevent this ever happening in the US.
     
  2. RocketsLegend

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    Breitbart’s Raheem Kassam Tells Sean Hannity: If Merkel Took a Million Rapey Migrants, Hillary Will Take 20 Million

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  3. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Reports now emerging of New Year’s Eve sexual assaults by Syrian men in Salzburg, Austria <a href="https://t.co/Othpcf0MoF" title="http://www.thelocal.at/20160107/salzburg-women-also-report-nye-sexual-assaults" org_href="http://www.thelocal.at/20160107/salzburg-women-also-report-nye-sexual-assaults">thelocal.at/20160107/salzb…</a></p>&mdash; David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/686396497831849984" data-datetime="2016-01-10T21:57:32+00:00">January 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  4. sammy

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    After watching Spotlight, it's easy to come to the conclusion that humans just suck. Period. It's hypocritical to point out any specific religion. A lot of men are pigs.

    These men that commited these crimes should have bad things happen to them similarly to what happens to men in prison in the States once they're thrown in the slammer. Mix alcohol and sheltered upbringings and this isn't very surprising but disappointing nonetheless. They do seem like planned attacks so I hope they get to the bottom of this. Meanwhile, this hurts the good families and individuals who need the help that places like Germany has provided. Sigh
     
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    It begins--again:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...an-man-injured-in-attacks-by-gangs-in-cologne

    A terrible crime doesn't deserve another. Germany has to do something about the xenophobia that comes from broadly categorizing groups of people as criminals.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/special/...s-on-refugee-shelters-in-germany/20150907.htm

     
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  6. AroundTheWorld

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    I agree. Punish xenophobic assholes with the full force of the law. It's specifically a problem in Eastern Germany.

    As to what else should be done? Reduce the insanely high number of unvetted Muslim immigrants every year. There is only so much a population will accept before it gets harder to suppress terrible backlash like this.
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    Xenophobia has no place whatsoever in any society, just like people who treat women like objects.

    Both are products of bad, irrational thinking that generalizes conclusions. I'm glad we agree that both should be reduced.

    I'm curious to hear what actual policy proposals you'd have with regards to "reducing unvetted" Muslim immigrants. The United States and Canada for example, have very rigrous vetting systems, and Canada is taking on a very large contigent of refugees for its population size.

    Trudeau specified that only families could come, which was an interesting policy that brings together and balances a lot of issues.
     
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    This would be one very positive thing, just legally hard to do. The real figures right now are more like more than 80 % young Arab men, with way below average education levels. Anyone who thinks that doesn't lead to problems is very, very naive.

    The other thing is a simple numeric cap. We cannot pretend that we can single-handedly solve the world's problems by simply letting everyone live in our (already densely populated, in contrast to Canada) country.

    Vetting is very difficult as long as borders are not closed. I am obviously torn here from an egoistical standpoint, because I travel all the time, and open borders make that much easier. But with the current security situation and the uncontrollable influx of who comes in, we will probably have to scrap Schengen and will have to introduce border controls again. Of course, we already have lots and lots of Islamists in the country now, so that problem already exists.

    The other thing is that we will have to be more like the USA - more selective in whom we allow to enter our country and live here. This includes a somewhat proportional approach. There is one particular group of immigrants - yes, Muslims from Afghanistan and the Middle East - who cause a massively disproportionately higher amount of problems (crime, molestation, complete unwillingness to integrate into society) than others. It's simply crazy that the vast majority of immigrants come out of that group. Talk about dumbing down your population and increasing levels of crime.
     
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    Better vetting can be done in places of entry, no? Shutting Schengen would involve huge costs in cross-border commerce that go orders of magnitude beyond your example, from what I've read.

    As for your last point, there was a study from a German criminologist that seems to point otherwise--of course, you're better at reading it than I would be. I did get a translation from Reddit.

    https://mediendienst-integration.de/fileadmin/Dateien/Gutachten_Kriminalitaet_Migration_Walburg.pdf

    Unless the translator is playing funny tricks with the translation, I can see this being a strong data point to say that what you're describing about Muslims may be anecdotal and may be not systematic.

    With that said, I generally agree having an open-door policy without significant integration steps isn't smart policy, but I don't think the solution is as drastic as to close the door completely.
     
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    The data is intentionally kept under wraps, just like they tried to do in Cologne. I worked as an assistant district attorney. A huge percentage of criminal offenders were foreigners, sadly.
     
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    Props to you both for the dialogue. Interesting reading.
     
  12. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EG: 11,000 robberies over 3 years near Cologne train station, majority of perpetrators are North African migrants <a href="https://t.co/rQzCrWvLrq">https://t.co/rQzCrWvLrq</a></p>&mdash; David Frum (@davidfrum) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/686592434877390848">January 11, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    Did you two just have a reasonable conversation?

    Stop it.
     
  14. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/20committee">@20committee</a> Syrian ISIS supporter shot at Paris police station was arrested for Cologne sex attack | Daily Mail <a href="https://t.co/ZGBFJV8lkb">https://t.co/ZGBFJV8lkb</a></p>&mdash; Brian Hubbs (@BrianHubbs1) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianHubbs1/status/686921333821681664">January 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  15. Northside Storm

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    You are close to the equivalent of this -->

     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    Would you rather see these news suppressed, intern? Seems like it - because they don't support your agenda?
     
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    If I wanted to enter a debate and discussion forum filled with bots, I'd browse more of the Russian networks.

    I never told Commodore to stop, I only told him the truth, which is that he adds as much value in his current posting patterns as a script with about 10 lines of code. He can continue for all I care, but it might actually be easier for him to just learn how to use the script.
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    Seems like it bothers you when relevant news get shared - when they don't fit your agenda.
     
  19. Northside Storm

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    if anybody displayed a posting pattern of embedding tweets literally 90% of the time and added nothing else beyond a pepper spray of random tweets, I'd make a joke too no matter what they were embedding. The dude literally hits and runs threads across a whole bunch of topics with the same approach.

    if I were one of the special snowflake anti-PC people, I'd be yelling "HALP, POLITICAL CORRECTNESS POLICE TRYING TO STOP MY CODE JOKES" by now

    I don't get why you're butthurt for him lol, that's like uber levels of meta-sensitivity. He has one-liners every once in a while, if he replies like a human being, I'll happily engage with him :p
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    This article hits the nail on the head. It's from the New York Times, which is not far right or anything.

    Germany on the Brink

    ON New Year’s Eve, in the shadow of Cologne’s cathedral, crowds of North African and Middle Eastern men accosted women out for the night’s festivities. They surrounded them, groped them, robbed them. Two women were reportedly raped.

    Though there were similar incidents from Hamburg to Helsinki, the authorities at first played down the assaults, lest they prove inconvenient for Angela Merkel’s policy of mass asylum for refugees.

    That delay has now cost Cologne’s police chief his job. But the German government still seems more concerned about policing restless natives — most recently through a deal with Facebook and Google to restrict anti-immigrant postings — than with policing migration. Just last week Merkel rejected a proposal to cap refugee admissions (which topped one million last year) at 200,000 in 2016.

    The underlying controversy here is not a new one. For decades conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic have warned that Europe’s generous immigration policies, often pursued in defiance of ordinary Europeans’ wishes, threaten to destabilize the continent.

    The conservatives have made important points about the difficulty of assimilation, the threat of radicalization, and the likelihood of Paris-style and Cologne-style violence in European cities.

    But they have also trafficked in more apocalyptic predictions — fears of a “Eurabia,” of mass Islamification — that were somewhat harder to credit. Until recently, Europe’s assimilation challenge looked unpleasant but not insurmountable, and the likelihood of Yugoslavian-style balkanization relatively remote.

    With the current migration, though, we’re in uncharted territory. The issue isn’t just that immigrants are arriving in the hundreds of thousands rather than the tens of thousands. It’s that a huge proportion of them are teenage and twentysomething men.

    In Sweden, for instance, which like Germany has had an open door, 71 percent of all asylum applicants in 2015 were men. Among the mostly-late-teenage category of “unaccompanied minors,” as Valerie Hudson points out in an important essay for Politico,” the ratios were even more skewed: “11.3 boys for every one girl.”

    As Hudson notes, these trends have immediate implications for civil order — young men are, well, young men; societies with skewed sex ratios tend to be unstable; and many of these men carry assumptions about women’s roles that are diametrically opposed to the values of contemporary Europe.

    But there’s also a longer term issue, beyond the need to persuade new arrivals that — to quote from a Norwegian curriculum for migrants — in Europe “to force someone into sex is not permitted.”

    When immigration proceeds at a steady but modest clip, deep change comes slowly, and there’s time for assimilation to do its work. That’s why the Muslim population in Europe has been growing only at one percentage point a decade; it’s why many of the Turkish and North African immigrants who arrived in Germany and France decades ago are reasonably Europeanized today.

    But if you add a million (or millions) of people, most of them young men, in one short period, you get a very different kind of shift.

    In the German case the important number here isn’t the country’s total population, currently 82 million. It’s the twentysomething population, which was less than 10 million in 2013 (and of course already included many immigrants). In that cohort and every cohort afterward, the current influx could have a transformative effect.

    How transformative depends on whether these men eventually find a way to bring brides and families to Europe as well. In terms of immediate civil peace, family formation or unification offers promise, since men with wives and children are less likely to grope revelers or graffiti synagogues or seek the solidarity of radicalism.

    But it could also double or treble this migration’s demographic impact, pushing Germany toward a possible future in which half the under-40 population would consist of Middle Eastern and North African immigrants and their children.

    If you believe that an aging, secularized, heretofore-mostly-homogeneous society is likely to peacefully absorb a migration of that size and scale of cultural difference, then you have a bright future as a spokesman for the current German government.

    You’re also a fool. Such a transformation promises increasing polarization among natives and new arrivals alike. It threatens not just a spike in terrorism but a rebirth of 1930s-style political violence. The still-imaginary France Michel Houellebecq conjured up in his novel “Submission,” in which nativists and Islamists brawl in the streets, would have a very good chance of being realized in the German future.


    This need not happen. But prudence requires doing everything possible to prevent it. That means closing Germany’s borders to new arrivals for the time being. It means beginning an orderly deportation process for able-bodied young men. It means giving up the fond illusion that Germany’s past sins can be absolved with a reckless humanitarianism in the present.

    It means that Angela Merkel must go — so that her country, and the continent it bestrides, can avoid paying too high a price for her high-minded folly.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/opinion/sunday/germany-on-the-brink.html?_r=0
     

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