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Donatas Motiejunas - X Factor

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DudeWah, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. Snow Villiers

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    Lol @ Tjones being better than Dmo. :grin:
     
  2. Mathloom

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    Simply, no. D-Mo has no problem with physicality unlike Jones. He's just not the most athletic guy and he's smart enough to realize he can get rebounds himself and for his teammates by following fundamentals of rebounding. Just because you're tired of being taught about basketball and boxing out doesn't make it less relevant or true.

    Tallest guy on the court. This guy. How old are you? You think D-Mo being 2 inches taller than his opponent automatically means he can get to a basketball in the AIR faster?

    Obviously D-Mo can't start on teams with better PF's. Learn how to read. D-Mo is a starter on a contender. That means, D-Mo can start on the Cavs. Probably on OKC, pushing Adams out of his spot. Jones would never start on the Cavs.

    Would he start over Aldridge? No. Would Danny Green start over Harden? No.

    bwahahaha all you want. D-Mo has already been the starter on a contending team, you genius you. lol Welcome to 2015. Sometimes PF's take 3pters too. There are some PF's that don't even try to get offensive rebounds. There are others who bring the ball up the court. Shorter players can jump higher, be stronger, more athletic.

    I shouldn't have even started this, I didn't know the kindergarten level arguments going on against D-Mo and for some reason it reeks of trollish fandom/hatred of individual players which I have zero interest in.
     
  3. sealclubber1016

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    It's amazing this day and age how many people are still oblivious to how often Jones get's lost on both sides of the ball. Teams like the Spurs aren't great becuase of their physical talent, they are great becuase all of their guys know where to be on both sides of the ball.

    Simply being in the right place isn't gonna win you games, but not being in the right place sure as hell will cost you games. It's a statistically invisible, (yet of paramount importance) aspect that only shows up in your teams overall performance when you are on the floor. But his defenders here ignore his usual poor on/off numbers, which is the only real evidence against him.His XRAPM is officially the worst among all PF's, by a comfortable margin, and the 2nd worst on the team, only ahead of the comically inept Lawson. Even Brewer has inexplicably moved ahead of him.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/3/sort/RPM/position/6

    Jones/D-Mo hasn't been an actual point of discussion for me in a while because I think almost anybody is better than Jones. Saying D-Mo is better really isn't saying much, and at this point I'm not sure how good D-mo is. I do know how bad Jones is though.
     
  4. oakdogg

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    You shut up, holic. Dobro owned your a$$ and then you respond like a baby? Not a good look.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    The 15th can't get here soon enough.
     
  6. oakdogg

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    What makes you say that? All indications are the Rockets did not do all they could to keep him. Clippers were the first to contact him & contacted him the most frequently. We were holding him off so we could solidify our DLeague line up with Mr. KJ.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    When you offer someone the most money, and they decide to take less to go elsewhere, you did all you could. Sure I guess they could have wined and dined him more, but if that's what was important to him he deserves to be in a bad situation in LA.
     
  8. oakdogg

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    I'm sorry, man, but this is flat out wrong. I specifically recall after the Rockets had a significant victory that somebody (surprisingly not Bobby) was b*ching about only getting to see DMo play for 5 minutes. That's the epitome of being a player-only fan.
     
  9. oakdogg

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    You don't think appreciation is important to employees? I guess you haven't entered the work world yet. Money is not the only consideration, and it's super-ignorant for you to think so.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    They were showing their appreciation by offering him the most money. It's pretty childish to value the "wine and dine" over other more important factors. He has less of a role in LA and the fit isn't as good, also the way he likes to play the game isn't as appreciated there.

    I think if he has it to do over again, there's no chance he takes the LA offer....but that's what happens when you make your decisions based on BS.
     
  11. oakdogg

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    You don't get it at all. Professional basketball players have millions in the bank already. What they also have is pride. Hell, you don't have to have money for pride to be important to you. "I got you to the WCF, and now you're making me wait for a 3rd string dude who has accomplished nothing???" That's insulting. I would be insulted. But like anyone, he is not going to come out and spell that out publicly.
     
  12. YaoMing#1

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    I don't think a healthy DMO would start over Kevin Love or Serge Ibaka.

    Just saying.

    Dmo as a starting center def can't work either on a contender.

    He's a good player but your faith in how good he is I would say is a little blind to the fact. I think he can be a rotation level player on all the contenders maybe even first big off the bench.

    But..... He would not start on any conteder at PF or C just not happening.

    Clips- Griffin
    Okc- ibaka
    SA- LMA
    GS- Green
    Cavs- Love
    ATL- Milsap
    Chi- Gasol
    Mia- Bosh

    Those 8 teams have the best records in the NBA and one thing is clear? They all have Allstar level PFs.

    You can't really think DMO is even close to the level of those guys? No way he starts on any of those teams.
     
  13. oakdogg

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    That's actually just common sense. But I guess they don't teach that at MIT.
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    Again, if he's stupid and unprofessional to where he took offense to the team doing things in a certain order then he deserves what happened to him. He ended up taking less money for a lesser fit with a coach that doesn't appreciate what he tries to do on the court.....you know, the things that should matter to professionals. If the Clippers wining and dining him and blowing a little smoke up his ass made him overlook the most money, the best fit, and the most appreciation for his game then he's a total and complete moron.

    I mean, he'd be almost certainly starting for the Rockets right now, if not he'd definitely be the primary backup, instead he's getting like 14 minutes a game with a ton of healthy scratches. A professional would have made a smarter decision.
     
  15. oakdogg

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    It seems you went to MIT.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    Thanks, but I didn't, all of that is really just common sense.
     
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    This year Jones has been pretty bad as he has taken two steps back. However, using your same metric he was average last year (39th out of 82) and a few positions worst the year before before.

    Meanwhile, DMo was 32nd out of 82 last and didn't play enough minutes the season before, so even in their best seasons DMo is marginally better than Jones.

    I still vote for DMo having a better career, but TJones and DMo had a similar impacts last season. People remember how good DMo was for a strech when Howard went down, but they forget how good Jones was in his stretch before going down to injury to start the season.
     
  18. dmoneybangbang

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    First of all, Smith was also terrible for us in the losses getting us to the WCF. Second of all, he was simply going to get more playing on paper at the time on the Clippers despite taking less money over there. It seemed Smith valued playing time over money.

    In hindsight, with DMo's setback and Jones bewildering going two steps back in his contract year, JSmoove would probably be the difference in moving up to the 6th or 5th seed/
     
  19. oakdogg

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    First, we weren't discussing whether it was wise to pursue Josh Smith, though it was as obvious then as it is now - we sure as hell should have.

    Second, the Clippers pursued Josh when he signed with us last year - did he think they were suddenly going to be drastically cutting Blake's minutes this year??? More opportunity can not be the real reason he left.

    Third, Josh Smith is still getting paid for a $13M a year contract with the Pistons. Why the f does everybody think that the few hundred thousand more the Rockets offered would have ever made a difference?!!
     
  20. jump shooter

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    He's not a starter on any of the contenders I named period even though you say he is. He won't start over Aldridge, D. Green, Griffen, Ibaka and Thompson. Go back to Kindergarten and learn some basketball bwahahahaha.
     

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