I'll admit, I wasn't a stalwart Bulls fan, so its not like I watched every game they played. However, I did watch ~ 30 games over the years, and pretty much the offense was give it to Rose and let him create 70% of the time. Tom Thibodeau's teams had an ORTG of 15th over the years he had the Bulls. Granted, Rose got injured and that's why the ORTG was so bad, but really, I don't think anyone would mistake the Chicago offense as anything other than average at best. This is not to say Thibs won't improve the Rockets, he will. As you said, discipline would be much better, and defense may even become elite. However, I still don't know if that's enough. Our team needs a gameplan on offense, and maybe I missed something in Chicago, but I mostly saw hero ball and very simple sets.
Alvin Gentry blows as a head coach. He sucked in Phoenix and New Orleans has taken a serious step back from last season. That team is worse than the Rockets. Alvin Gentry gets tons of respect as an assistant coach and up to this point thats all he has proven he is capable of. He is not head coach material.
JVG is on record as saying that Daryl Morey does not micro manage. Daryl Morey has stated many times that he does not dictate came plans and rotations to coaches. The only thing that has ever been proven that Daryl Morey pushed on any coach was Chris Finch as an assistant.
I agree with you on Ettore and Thibs. Personally I would fire JB and right now and bring in Ettore if I could steal him from the Spurs. I think unlike someone like Thibs he will be a complete coach. Tom Thibodeau is a good coach but he is like JVG in that he micro manages an offense to the extreme. He values great defense and not turning the ball over on offense more than anything. His teams walk the ball up the court while he calls plays from the bench and regardless what the other poster says, they are not creative on offense at all. They let the half court offense run through Joakim Noah a lot but that does not make them creative. Their offense is slow, plodding and hard to watch because of the lack of creativity. Take your time and don't turn the ball over. Use up all of the damn shot clock and then take a shot in the last 5 seconds of the clock. That is a Tom Thibodeau offense in a nutshell. 14/15 - 21 in Pace 13/14 - 29 in Pace 12/13 - 27 in Pace 11/12 - 28 in Pace This season Fred Hoiberg has essentially the exact same players at 10th in pace and the Bulls are currently 2nd in the East. Thibs is a good coach. If you enjoy slow plodding offenses that walk the ball up the court and wait till the end of the shot clock to take a shot then you will love a team coached by Thibs. While I think that a team can consistently win a lot of games with that type of offense, I don't think you can win a championship with it. That and it's just ugly ass basketball.
Yes I would love to have him. Because he's intelligent. And since he's intelligent, he is going to stick with the Spurs and wait to become head coach. Not to diss the Rockets, but just makes more sense for him.
One, we both that **** like OTRG is imperfect data. Two, even if we use that dumb**** stat, it just says they are average. Average with an extremely below average roster for offensive purposes, except for last year when they got Pau and Butler has emerged. Getting that team to the playoffs without Rose is huge, getting that team to be sufficient enough offensively without Rose is remarkable. The Bulls offensive sets for the most part were simple; the same simple **** that Doc ran in Boston with the big 3. Doc gave a lot of credit to Thibs for his offensive knowledge, too. Most of their baseline plays were Thibs. There's something Thibs took with him when the JVG regime left houston; learn some offense. He's no Mike D'Antoni offensively, but even his simple sets are more creative than our Iso harden, high pick & roll with **** spacing We would be stupid to not talk to him, and I know we will this off-season.
If Thibs came here, I'm sure he won't be the exact same way he was in Chicago. There'd have to be some compromise from player personnel to strategy with Durall Murray. Stats for pace are bull**** too, imperfect data. But relative data because it's benchmarked. With that said, that's not terrible given the **** rosters he's had except for last year. Those kind of teams won't be able to push it and make it a scoring game, they'd have to compromise more. If Thibs were to come here, I do not think anyone stands in his way of preparation, defense, and discipline. But offensively, he should listen to Morey a little and getting an offensive minded assistant would be a great idea too. He'd take Ron Adams from the GSW bench, no doubt, but he'd another D guy. I'm not saying Thibs as is perfect. I'm saying Thibs with some willing to improve. After being fired, I hope he is open to that.
David Blatt remains an international coaching legend, as good as they have ever come on that stage. We may never know what his real ceiling might be as coaching LBJ is a whole different planet. Messina is likely at that level. Personally, I'm rooting for Bick to win quick and get the job long term.
#1 There is absolutely no reason to believe that Messina is being groomed to replace Popovich. Kelvin Sampson held a similar position. If anyone was being groomed it was Budholzer. Now, the coach with the fastest growing responsibility on the Spurs is Becky Hammond. #2 Messina is not the only coach available to make a real difference. There is Thibs. There are only a few coaches that are better than Thibs and the strong leadership he provides. #3 Thibs is a vastly superior coach to JVG offensively and defensively. Thibs is the best defensive coach in the NBA by a mile and possibly the best ever defensively. Offensively he is underrated. His offense evolved over the years in Chicago depending on injuries and the strengths of his players. A few years ago he ran the offense through Noah effectively when Rose was hurt. He ran the offense off screens with Butler and Gasol last year. He ran it point guard dominant when Rose was healthy. The Bulls lost in the playoffs to vastly superior teams, typically in hard fought series, and often without a go to player. #4 The notion that Thibs ran players into the ground is wuestionable. Jimmy Butler has had no issues, neither has Gasol or Gibson or Deng. Rose was injured from cutting, not over use. The one possibility is Noah. Having said that, Butler, Deng, Gibson and Noah all vastly improved as players under Thibs. #5 Messina is a very good coach and deserves a shot to be a head coach in the modern NBA rules. If the Rockets decided to name him head coach, I would support. However he isn't the only available and homestly, I KNOW Thibs is an elite NBA coach and THINK Messina can be based on his intelligence and experience in Europe. #6 As for the people comparing Blatt to Messina, not even close. Messina is a far more accomplished coach. Also Messina is an alpha and Blatt is a beta personality.
The Nets going to give him the dual manager-coach role like he had in Europe? Messina's later team weren't as successful when he had less input in personnel acquisitions.
how many times have we seen a player on the roster we're trying to dump continue to unexplicably get undeserved playing time right until he finally gets traded though? i mean even tony douglas! that has to be morey instructing the coach to showcase
Your wrong, he would be the exact same style of coach because that IS his coaching style and thats the way his mentor coached as well. When JVG was with the Rockets they were: 06/07 - 21 in pace 05/06 - 25 in pace 04/05 - 24 in pace 03/04 - 25 in pace That is the coaching style that Thibs uses. Walk the ball up the court. Don't turn it over. Use most of the shot clock. He micromanages the offense to a fault. Thibs is a great defensive coach and defense will win a lot of games for you, but in the end you typically have to have a great offense to win it all. That walk the ball up the court and pound the basketball into the court for 23 seconds and then shoot is not very much fun to watch IMO.
Why would you get the faux-off-brand D'Antoni with less NBA experience when the REAL DEAL Pringles man, one of Leslie's personal favorites, is chilling with a temporary gig in Philly, waiting for the call?
It's time to bring in a real coach. Please please please let my dream come true and hire this man. - Original coach of Manu Ginobili (Harden compares himself to Gino) - Won everywhere he went - Knows the spurs system and will instill a winning culture - Goes with philosophy over players - Over 25 years of coaching experience He's currently being strongly considered for the Kings, get him over here https://sidelinesapp.com/item/why-gregg-popovich-and-ettore-messina-prefer-you-dont-actually-read-becky-hammons-resume/ "Last October, after the Spurs beat CSKA in a preseason friendly, Popopvich made it clear that the Red Army club was something the Spurs were going to emulate. He told press after the game that Messina's teams "penetrate and pitch better than we do," and that to improve on the Spurs' Euroball style they'd look to Messina tape because "he really does a great job with them, and I want to look at that and see what we can do to get even better at it.”" http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/7/16/5903679/spurs-assitant-coach-ettore-messina "Messina's teams have always featured a healthy dose of post-ups but that insistence of getting the ball inside stems from an understanding of spacing. The intention is not necessarily to score from any one point on the floor, but to get the defense moving. Similarly, he teaches his players about the importance of the secondary break. Attacking early and seeing how the defense reacts can create gaps that will lead to easy shots. Messina has evolved through the years along with the game but his core principles have remained the same. The biggest adjustment American players have to make when they move to Europe is putting team goals ahead of their own goals. In NBA players are generally assessed by their individual performance with a lot of emphasis on individual statistics. If you managed to improve your stats by the end of the season, usually you receive a better contract regardless the result of your team. In Europe if your team wins, you're perceived as a better player. That means individual statistics are only important combined with the team result. He's become known as a disciplinarian but that's common among European coaches and not far removed from Pop's reputation."
Doesn't he have a really hard accent that's kind of difficult to understand? Not sure how that will work for an American NBA team.
