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[NY Times] Cardinals under FBI investigation for hacking Astros

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by tellitlikeitis, Jun 16, 2015.

  1. tellitlikeitis

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    Oh.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So Correa saw the <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonChron">@HoustonChron</a> article about Ground Control, which prompted <a href="https://twitter.com/astros">@Astros</a> new security measures, and promptly grabbed those!</p>&mdash; Howard Megdal (@howardmegdal) <a href="https://twitter.com/howardmegdal/status/685553349324845057">January 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  2. juicystream

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    Nowhere in that document does it say the Astros had anything other than their own information. It specifically says the Astros' scouting reports on Cardinals players/prospects.
     
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  3. Nick

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    Scumbag.

    Also, it should be noted this was not simply him using "old passwords" to see if they still worked (as many were previously mocking the Astros and Luhnow for leaving themselves vulnerable).

    Masking software? Multiple occurrences (centered around the draft and trade-deadline)? This is flat-out corporate espionage, with attempts to supply valuable information that your predecessor was so damn good at providing, but apparently Correa wasn't as good at his job as Luhnow was at his.

    Next step is to see who else in the Cardinals organization knew about this... regardless, there will be penalties ensued on that organization as they're ultimately responsible for their employees' actions.
     
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  4. Joe Joe

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    Not sure Astros receive too much out of this, but expect some pretty strong penalty for Cards.
     
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    That the Astros had Cardinal data apparently came out during the conversation between Correa and the judge, but it gave no details
     
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    Correa said he found some... Astro's lawyers contend that he didn't and that he has no evidence to what he's claiming.

    Regardless, the judge put it best when they said that "he broke into somebody's house to see if they had stolen their stuff..." That's the crime.

    If he really had a substantial suspicion that the Astros had proprietary info, there are several other LEGAL avenues he could have pursued, other than going with masking software and trying to find it himself... and this is before he then decided to download Astros proprietary information that directly benefitted his team.
     
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    They could sue for compensation, especially if it could be shown that the Cardinals benefitted from the hacked data.
     
  8. Astrofan59

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    You seem to have confused my comment as a defense of Correa:eek:
     
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    I thought MLB rules prevent one team from suing another
     
  10. Joe Joe

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    The problem is that MLB won't give Astros a benefit that helps them too much versus other teams. Maybe a late first round pick at the most. I suspect MLB will want punishment to be harsh without drawing wrath of MLBPA or other teams (i.e. Cards will lose more than Astros gain). I guess MLB could have Cards make a cash settlement with Stros.

    Don't think Astros can sue Cards in court.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="it" dir="ltr">Astro statement: <a href="https://t.co/qpSr5hVYUH">pic.twitter.com/qpSr5hVYUH</a></p>&mdash; Brian McTaggart ⚾️ (@brianmctaggart) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/685580114608820224">January 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    I'm sure there are rules like that, but that doesn't mean the rule would necessarily be enforceable (I'm guessing disputes are sent to arbitration).
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MLB statement on hacking case <a href="https://t.co/UILbpgWAQz">pic.twitter.com/UILbpgWAQz</a></p>&mdash; Jesse Spector (@jessespector) <a href="https://twitter.com/jessespector/status/685587099756687360">January 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    Sounds like the MLB will take further actions against the Cards at a latter date.
     
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    I expect the Commish has sat down with Astros and Cards and have had them try to come to a settlement knowing that MLB will also have a punishment on top of settlement.
     
  16. Hustle Town

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    Correct in the literal sense. However, the Astros can "sue" the Cardinals in the sense that they can go to arbitration with the MLB presiding. The MLB could assign damages to the Astros in this case.
     
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    I would expect the Cardinals to receive a hefty fine. What about a one year ban from the postseason?
     
  18. Joe Joe

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    Playoff team structure specified in CBA. As such, a playoff ban for a team would need MLBPA approval. MLBPA isn't going to allow some of its players miss a postseason based on something besides on field performance.
     
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    Ok. What can the MLB do? This wasn't an intern stealing IP/trade secrets; Correa was the scouting director. Others in the front office had to have known.
     
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    This guy could see up to 20 years in prison... I think what he did was wrong and all but that seems way to extreme. Just ban the guy from baseball and fine him. No need to throw him in jail imo.
     

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