1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

2015-16 Kawhi Leonard

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by omgTHEpotential, Nov 28, 2015.

  1. dharocks

    dharocks Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2003
    Messages:
    9,032
    Likes Received:
    1,969
    Who was the #1 option on that 2010-11 Orlando team, in your opinion?
     
  2. TheFreak

    TheFreak Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 1999
    Messages:
    18,304
    Likes Received:
    3,310
    I would say they didn't really have one.
     
  3. dianelo

    dianelo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2013
    Messages:
    762
    Likes Received:
    20
    The first shot attempt by Wiggins was blocked and the ball taken away by Leonard. He was blocked like 5 or 6 times by Duncan and Leonard.
     
  4. Fefo

    Fefo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2009
    Messages:
    709
    Likes Received:
    344
    How can you say he is not a first option on offense? He is leading a 25-5 team in scoring with 21pts ppg, wich ranks him 10 or so in the league overall. He is leading the nba in 3point %, and overall shooting 51%. His usage went way up, and he can iso and create for himself or others when nedeed.
    If thats not a first option on offense, i dont know what is? Maybe you preffer your first option to be Damian lilard, scoring more on 40% shooting.

    You should call pop and tell him, maybe he will agree with you jajaja.
     
  5. roksoer

    roksoer Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Messages:
    1,096
    Likes Received:
    70
    I for one hope Leonard never succumbs to hero ball (as in being a so-called "first option on offense", or a "go-to guy") no matter how much he is criticized over it.
     
  6. gunawanspurs

    gunawanspurs Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2002
    Messages:
    292
    Likes Received:
    3
  7. Zergling

    Zergling Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2010
    Messages:
    5,728
    Likes Received:
    3,629
    Finally checked his stats this year. Shooting over 45% from three ARE YOU KIDDING ME
     
  8. gunawanspurs

    gunawanspurs Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2002
    Messages:
    292
    Likes Received:
    3
    You simply can't slip a pass with him around, automatic steal or deflection.
     
  9. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    113,976
    Likes Received:
    175,529
    Start calling him the octopus. Like he got 8 hands. Hands everywhere, grabbing everything.
     
  10. don grahamleone

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2001
    Messages:
    23,741
    Likes Received:
    35,359
    This thread is full of Spurs fans that disguise themselves as Rockets fans. Lame.

    Being a go to guy in basketball matters because so many games end on or are sealed by a basket in one on one play. It's just how the league works. Kobe did it for years, Curry and Harden are doing it now. Being go to makes you elite because of this. I'd take Melo over Kawhi on a last second shot, but I'd take Kawhi on defense over every player in the league. Dude is the best defender in the league. No doubt in my mind.

    He scores within the offense. You don't give Leonard the ball and say go to work. He's just not that player and the Spurs aren't that team. They are a great teamwork team.

    This is one of Leonard's best attributes, but you need an alpha dog in crunch time. He's not alpha. Sorry, but no.
     
  11. Outlier

    Outlier Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2006
    Messages:
    8,528
    Likes Received:
    1,351
    The dude was clearly being given the ball last night during crunch time. Many times they were looking for him. Sometimes he comes through, sometimes he doesn't - like most superstars. You can stay delusional though.
     
  12. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    99,017
    Likes Received:
    48,867
    Where is the line between star, allstar and superstar then?
     
  13. Outlier

    Outlier Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2006
    Messages:
    8,528
    Likes Received:
    1,351
    When clearly the team is a train wreck or can't maintain success when the player?
     
  14. roksoer

    roksoer Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Messages:
    1,096
    Likes Received:
    70
    Do you still think this after watching Harden's consecutive hero ball possessions last night?

    HERO BALL IS WRONG
     
  15. dianelo

    dianelo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2013
    Messages:
    762
    Likes Received:
    20
    47.5% to be exact. Dude is having a 50/40/90 type season.
     
  16. omgTHEpotential

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2012
    Messages:
    7,512
    Likes Received:
    6,045
    So you're saying you need a ISO chucker like Kobe in crunch time? This is such an oldschool & flawed thinking. A guy like Kawhi will help you not get into a situation where you need crunch time heroics in the first place. But even then, he showed that he's more than capable of providing you with some ISO-ball late in the shot clock if needed. Also, classifying basketball players as alphas/betas is pretty silly if you ask me. But if I had to define who is an alpha, it's the guy who plays the complete game, meaning both ends of the floor. Therefore, LeBron and Kawhi are the biggest alphas in the game today for me personally. Durant too I guess, even though his defense is a tier below. I guess you could make an exception for Curry since his offense is so ridiculous it makes up for him not being a lockdown defender. Harden on the other hand, is the definition of a BETA.
     
  17. sew

    sew Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    3,406
    Likes Received:
    228
    Here's just one example of Kawhi creating his own shot against one of the best defenders in the game. Just because Kawhi can play within an offense doesn't mean he can't be a go-to guy.

    <iframe src="https://streamable.com/e/851y" width="640" height="360" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen scrolling="no"></iframe>
     
  18. sew

    sew Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    3,406
    Likes Received:
    228
    still hard to belive he's only 24
     
  19. Downtown Sniper

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    9,005
    Likes Received:
    12,132
    Whilst I'm neither here nor there in this debate....

    Showing one clip to prove a point actually proves very little.

    People on the opposite side of the fence could show you a clip of Terrence Jones doing something exactly like that/if not more impressive - you still wouldn't call TJ a go-to guy.
     
  20. omgTHEpotential

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2012
    Messages:
    7,512
    Likes Received:
    6,045
    52% FG, 50% 3P, 89% FT
     

Share This Page