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When Cruz Makes His Move, Watch Out

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Nov 24, 2015.

  1. MojoMan

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  2. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please note that according to the ethanol industry itself, only Cruz and Paul have refused to sell out to them. <a href="https://t.co/MSvrXmWzIf">pic.twitter.com/MSvrXmWzIf</a></p>&mdash; Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) <a href="https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/684078934288416768">January 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  3. MojoMan

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    Top RLC National Leader Switches Support From Paul to Cruz

    January 3, 2016


    Steve Hoffman of Horry county South Carolina, who serves as one of three at-large National Directors for the Republican Liberty Caucus, has also been serving as an Horry county grassroots coordinator with the Rand Paul campaign.

    Top RLC National Leader Switches Support From Paul to Cruz - Conservative Fifty .com

    So, it appears that Ted Cruz is starting to roll up the libertarian wing of the Republican Party as well.
     
  4. Deji McGever

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    Insinuating that anyone that doesn't like Cruz is a "libo" is not unlike stating that anyone that was against Oliver Cromwell was Catholic. I think America is ready for full-fledged autocracy, but probably not a theocratic one, if the poll numbers are any indication.
     
  5. bobmarley

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    I am not insinuating that everyone who doesn't like Cruz is a libo. I said there is a libo hype machine that would like to perpetuate the myth that he is unelectable.
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

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    Have any of you supporters actually talked to Ted Cruz? Outside of little youtube videos I mean. Have you spoken to the man?
     
  7. Commodore

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    <iframe width="754" height="468" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/q-SC1uUiT9s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  8. CCorn

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    I met him when he was a nobody at the Lincoln Reagan dinner in '10? He was awesome in person. I actually went on to volunteer on his campaign for senate during college.

    But I'm not a fan of how he is presenting himself now. Also my views have shifted a bit over the years.
     
  9. Major

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    As much as you'd like to believe it, it's not a "libo hype machine". Many conservatives feel the same way. Articles like this come out every day with quotes from GOP donors, strategists, and candidates.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/donald-trump-ted-cruz-gop-fear-217345#.jatwzfe:GzCH



    Trump and Cruz send shivers down GOP spines

    The prospect of either man as the Republican nominee is setting off alarm bells among officials and operatives across the country.




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    “Trump and Cruz are worrisome to most Republican candidates for governor, senator and Congress,” said Curt Anderson, a longtime GOP strategist and former Republican National Committee political director. “Some will say they are not worried, but they are.”

    Romney has been calling around to former advisers to sound them out about the race, and to kvetch about Trump’s surprising durability. But in the immediate term, at least, he has expressed unwillingness to lend his hand to a stop-Trump effort — or to endorse a candidate more palatable to a GOP establishment paralyzed by his rise and worried that nominating him or Cruz would scupper an opportunity to control both the White House and Congress in 2017.

    The concern is particularly acute in the Senate, where Republicans are fighting to preserve a relatively slim four-seat majority, defending more than half a dozen seats in hard-to-win swing states. Among them: Ohio, a presidential battleground state where Republican Sen. Rob Portman faces a perilous path to reelection.

    When Trump traveled to the state in November, he met with Matt Borges, Ohio’s Republican Party chairman — who warned the front-runner that “divisive rhetoric won’t help us carry Ohio.”

    “It’s time for people who have never won squat here to listen to the people who have been doing it for decades,” Borges said in an interview. “I’m just looking out for how we win in November.”

    In Wisconsin, some party officials fret that a Trump or Cruz nomination could sink Republican Sen. Ron Johnson, who faces a tough race against his predecessor, Russ Feingold.

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    scup·per1
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    noun
    a hole in a ship's side to carry water overboard from the deck.
    an outlet in the side of a building for draining water.

    I think they meant "scuttle," but I always chuckle when these things get past editors.
     
  11. A_3PO

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    Don't bother Major. Republicans like to blame everything on the "lamestream" media. Don't deny them their fetish. It feels too good.
     
  12. Commodore

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    Hatred from elites is a large part of the premise for/appeal of Cruz's candidacy.

    He couldn't ask for a better endorsement than party bigwigs, consultants, and lobbyists providing anti-Cruz pull quotes to Politico of all places.

    He has all the right enemies, and for the right reasons.
     
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    LOL. The Republican establishment types. Yeah, we got that.

    Unfortunately for them, it appears that they send "shivers down the spines" of the vast majority of Republican voters. So, its mutual.

    And how many people on the left do you think are feeling "shivers down their spines" about the prospects of watching and then openly supporting the slow-motion train-wreck that is the Hillary Clinton campaign as the Democratic nominee moving into a general election?
     
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    We need JCDenton to make a graph or pie chart, you know, something that the people can understand.
     
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    Cruz takes the lead in California over Donald Trump, 25-23.

    It should also be noted that California is winner take all and has more electoral votes in the Republican nominating process than any other state in the country, despite the fact that it is a predominately liberal state.
     
  16. Major

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    Which all supports the argument that it's not a "libo hype machine" that is skeptical of Cruz.

    It should also be noted that the California primary is in June, likely long after the nomination has been decided. Or even if not, a poll today there will be nothing like it would be in June when the entire dynamics of the race will have changed.

    Instead of just regurgitating every poll you find, you really should learn more about the dynamics of a primary. The only polls that matter at this point are national ones (for media coverage reasons) and the 4 early primaries - Iowa, NH, SC, and Nevada. Everything else is completely irrelevant and will completely change after those four states, and especially after Super Tuesday.
     
  17. Commodore

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    not completely winner-take-all, it also allocates by district
     
  18. MojoMan

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    Oops. You are correct sir. I stand corrected.
     
  19. Rashmon

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    This liberal would love for Cruz or Trump to be the GOP nominee.
     
  20. bobmarley

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    So it can't be more than one thing? There is a limo hype machine and they will gladly use any ammo they can get. It just so happens to be the GOP establishment that is flabbergasted with how to stop there total collapse this cycle.
     

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