You were trashing people for saying these things at the beginning of the year. I'm concerned it doesnt seem to have gotten better
Harden was least of the problems guys He dropped 30 Problem was rebounding and everyone else who couldn't make a shot
I think the defensive rotations were what did it tonight. Just pathetic and inexcusable for a team this talented.
After the strong words from JB I have not seen him make one single adjustment that has worked. He is a coach with zero answers. Thats probably our biggest problem.
You are pure comedy. First, the last stats I posted about Harden are not common knowledge and they paint a brutal picture that is not easily explained by your pathetic "VOLUME" explanation. The position on Harden's horrible flaws and theit bad effect on the team is echoed by nearly every expert, his teammates and 99% of this board. You want a pseudo-statistical thread on the "real issues", but miraculously leave out Harden in all but one side sentence, while trashing everyone else in all departments. Your paragraph on defense consists of these four factors: Effective FG%, Turnover %, Defensive Rebounding, FT / FGA These don't paint a conclusive picture about a team's defense one bit and everyone can see how they are handpicked by you to trash everyone besides Harden. You are so desperately trying to leave Harden out of the picture and when people post other relevant stats to make the picture whole, the stats are suddenly "garbage", the position is "r****ded" and "easily dismantled" by your non-statistical posts saying "THE STATS ARE CRAP, I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS BASKETBALL, PLEASE LEAVE THIS THREAD". The four factors for your "analysis" on offense are a joke as well and again handpicked, as they are the only way you can leave Harden out of the conversation and put the blame on every other player. It's pure comedy how you want a statistical thread but handpick a extremely short number of stats (many of them not really relevant) to blame everyone besides Harden and then go on a rant and tell everyone who posts negative stats that they are useless and don't know basketball. And when someone posts a stat you don't understand "This stat is not defined how it is used or calculated. This implies Barnes is better than Durant and Lebron. Don't think it has much value. If you feel it is valuable more power to you, I don't find much use for it. " it's suddenly that the stat is probably without any use or application to this. And your statement "Barnes is better than Durand and LeBron" just shows how clueless you are when it comes to stats, of course it's a bit dependent on team success, but people with the slightest bit of knowledge can clearly see that other stars with 50-50 teams still put up very positive numbers in the stat and that Harden is a complete outlier with his negative rating. Regarding your moronical sentence "FG% is worthless of course, 3pt FG% is useful.": I very much remember how you dismissed people when they posted Harden's really bad 3pt% a few weeks ago and said how fg% and 3pt% are crap because only TS% matters, but now that he's on the uprise it's suddenly "3pt% is useful". It's hilarious how at each moment the stats that paint a positive picture are "really useful" and the other stats are "stupid", it shows how desperately you're trying to make Harden look good and how pseudo this whole "analytical approach" you're enacting here is. And lastly: It is not even close. 94 Hakeem: 27.3 ppg, 3.6 apg, 3.4 turnovers on 29.8% Usage TS%: 56.5% Offensive Win Shares: 6.4 Offensive Base +/-: +2.2 Offensive Rating: 109 15 Harden 27.4 ppg, 7.0 apg, 4.0 turnovers on 31.3% Usage TS%: 60.5% Offensive Win Shares: 12.2 Offensive Base +/-: +7.4 Offensive Rating: 118 You posted this turd to "prove" that Harden was on a whole different level than Hakeem on offense and way more important on offense to his team. These are random advanced stats for offense that you used without any context, thoughts about the different eras, philosophies, teams, offense/defense and without any correlation. It shows that you just randomly post these stats without any thought on how the game is actually played and how the teams are structured, when the game is played and under what circumstances, etc. You telling anyone he doesn't know how to apply stats or that he should leave a basketball discussion is a complete farce, nearly every post shows how you desperately try to find negative stats for other players and only the 4 or 5 positive advanced stats for Harden, while dismissing everything else and telling people how icnredibly clueless they are.
And lastly: It is not even close. 94 Hakeem: 27.3 ppg, 3.6 apg, 3.4 turnovers on 29.8% Usage TS%: 56.5% Offensive Win Shares: 6.4 Offensive Base +/-: +2.2 Offensive Rating: 109 15 Harden 27.4 ppg, 7.0 apg, 4.0 turnovers on 31.3% Usage TS%: 60.5% Offensive Win Shares: 12.2 Offensive Base +/-: +7.4 Offensive Rating: 118 You posted this turd to "prove" that Harden was on a whole different level than Hakeem on offense and way more important on offense to his team. These are random advanced stats for offense that you used without any context, thoughts about the different eras, philosophies, teams, offense/defense and without any correlation. It shows that you just randomly post these stats without any thought on how the game is actually played and how the teams are structured, when the game is played and under what circumstances, etc. You telling anyone he doesn't know how to apply stats or that he should leave a basketball discussion is a complete farce, nearly every post shows how you desperately try to find negative stats for other players and only the 4 or 5 positive advanced stats for Harden, while dismissing everything else and telling people how icnredibly clueless they are.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if I'm reading what your implying correctly so pls don't lable me as a harden homer or somthing. But I think your downplaying Hardens season especially on the offensive side of the ball. He played at a top 20 season alltime last year offensivly. He produced 45 ppg off his scoring and assists. He was a beast last season and I think his play this year is making some forget just how special a season he had last year. We won a lot of games last year because of him not because are team around him played really better than this year, He hid a lot of these guys flaws. Just going off a pure season standpoint Harden was the clear MVP last year, any other season and he wpukd have undoubtably won the award. Furry was great but his season was not MVP worthy outside of his teams success which put him over the top. All there advanced stats were pretty close but the win shares and the supporting cast of both teams really favored Harden for winning the award. Now this season it's differnt Curry is the clear MVP and playing at a level higher than the rest on the best team in the game. He's having his True MVP season this year last year the voters really did get it wrong and I do think that's why the players ultimately chose JH as the players mvp.
Nah I completely agree with you, his post was about comparing Harden and Hakeem loosely on a few advanced stats without any context and then trying to tell everyone that Harden was significantly better on offense than Hakeem. The stats he posted to prove that were rubbish because of the complete lack of context and no application of the teams structure, the era, compeltely different offense/defense, no accout for other contributions to the team's offense, etc. at that time. No one is denying that Harden had an incredible season on offense last year, but the stats he used to compare two players in completely different eras and systems were irrelevant.
Of course, Harden is a better offensive player than Hakeem. Anyone who disagrees with this fact is stupid, doesn't know anything about basketball, and can only argue with rhetoric without objective statistical evidence.
People can defend Harden's turnovers as much as they want using picky stats like TOV% etc but they absolutely have an adverse effect on our play and hurt us tremendously So far in the first 3 quarters against Spurs I have counted 5 Harden turnovers resulting in 14 points in the Spurs possession right after the turnover That is ridiculous
Hardens TOV% is up to 15.7, easily the highest of his career and a significant jump over last year's 14.9. His free throw rate is also the lowest since his second year
Harden has fallen hard in RAPM. This is different than real plus minus. He's been top 20, now can you find him? https://t.co/C3sHzpJokl
Here's an article on it. From what I gather, real plus minus is tying to be predictive, so it sees Hardens play this year as more of a slump that won't continue into the future. RAPM is just telling you he sucks right now. https://cornerthreehoops.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/explaining-espns-real-plus-minus/
