You feel Jones is only worth a late second? What?!! Late seconds rarely even make it in the NBA. Jones has consistently been a rotation player. I sense a serious bias.
If someone offered a late 2nd for him I'd hope we jumped on it. He's not worth a bag of potato chips, getting an actual asset for him would be awesome.
You'd ask a 1st for TJ?? Tyler Hansbrough can rebound and shoot the mid more consistent. Would you trade a 1st for Tyler? No way. Stars can come even in late 1st Rd picks. You'd gamble the possibility of drafting a star for the gamble of a 4th year player, who isn't a lockdown defender, on his best day he is average. Isn't a knockdown shooter, or a consistent rebounder.
Yeah, I would. From memory over the years, most non-lottery first rounders don't last in the league as long as TJones. Turkczan??? Bryce Drew??? People get so excited about draft picks every year. All these players have these amazing player comparisons. 4 years later......most of these guys don't pan out at all. Look through old draft selections. Draft picks are always overrated.
Nope. Ariza has more value than capela who right now looks like a carreer rotation player with no star potential with two more years in his contract and still cant control his fouling. The league has had a huge influx of young bigs. And any team with contending aspirations would prefer dwight 100%. Lawson and thornton value is 0. You are delusional if ypu think that Lawson alone can lead brooklyn to the playoffs and laughably optimistic if you think that will be enough to blackmail ainge lmao.
Lmao who else jones? :grin: hillarious. Too bad ainge doesnt have a bird brain to actually believe brooklyn can make the playoffs.
Everyone knows that I called for trading Jones 2 seasons ago at his peak trade value. Everyone knows that I told this board we couldn't win a championship with Terrence in our main rotation. Everyone now knows 2 years after the fact that I was right about Terrence all along, even when he was throwing up some good looking stat lines and everyone was going gaga over him. Everyone that knows me know there are only two Rocket players I despised, that being Rafer and Juwan. And the reason was they were vet players not on rookie contacts that our coach kept running out there that killed our opportunity to win anything in the 111 era. Terrence isn't going to reach vet status on a bloated non-rookie contact here. If he did, you could rightfully say I hated him (as a player) because he would be occupying cap space and rotation space and hindering us like Rafer and Juwan did. Therefore I've never hated him as a player. I simply am one of the few posters who never bought the hype and saw Terrence for what he truly is. Just another player. I know basketball talent Malakas. Don't be jealous. Don't hate on me because I've been right about Terrence since Dec. of 2013. Hate all the hypers instead.
From the same year as his Draft. Players going outside of the lottery that are better: (and drafted after him) Evan Fournier, J. Sullinger, Miles Plumlee (debatable), Festus Ezeli, DRAYMOND GREEN, Khris Middleton. In 2011: KAWHI LEONARD, N. Vucecic, I.Shumpert, Tobias Harris, DMo (debatable) Kenneth Faried, N. Mirotic, Reggie Jackson, Cory Joseph, JIMMY BUTLER, Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Thomas. Need more? A 2nd rounder would be a steal for Jones.
Slow down on the tantrums and explain how you would value an NBA rotation player at late second round. IMO, GM's would be dancing around getting a Terrence Jones for a second rounder. I would think anybody who follows the NBA as much as you would certainly know that. So, what is your logic?
LOL at the tantrums comment. Why don't you point me to one team that you think would give up a late first or high second for Terrence and I'll explain my logic why they won't? I'm not going to go through this exercise for all 29 teams. Too much typing. Simply list the team that you think will pay a high second/low first and I'll respond. Just make sure the team you choose has the ability to do the trade. Make sure they've actually got a pick available and they either have cap space or a trade exception or whatever player(s) they send back are expiring or non-guaranteed contacts so we're not essentially buying the pick by taking on salary. Thanks. And good luck in your search.
I don't know every team's situation. I'm just saying that an NBA rotation player is worth more than a late 2nd rounder. I think ppl here always overrate draft picks. Because one Gilbert Arenas, Cuttino Mobley, or Chandler Parsons was picked in the second round, suddenly that is the value of a second round pick. Getting a guy like that in the second round is like a one in a million deal (don't know the exact odds). The odds of getting anything out of a late second rounder makes it worth very, very little. First round picks don't have that great of odds either. In fact, I'd say the bust rate is significant enough outside of the top 3. This isn't the NFL.
A player's trade value is what they can be traded for oakdogg. We're not talking derivatives here. There's no theoretical value. It's what the market will bear. Search the teams and find a team. Otherwise don't ask me to explain why we won't get a low first or high second for him. I've done my homework. Do your own and you will understand my logic.
I gave you the d*mn value, holic. Nobody is going to go team by team and evaluate various wild trade scenarios for each of these players except maybe you. I say Jones is worth more than a late second rounder, and I provided my logic. You are frustrating.
Because you have not gone through the teams and looked at whether they can even make a deal and then looked at what deal they could make is why you have arrived at this theoretical value that means absolutely nothing. Posters like you are frustrating because you want to challenge me on this but you don't want to do a real evaluation on your own. I've already done my evaluations. I asked you for one team. You refuse to name one because yout don't even know the landscape here. Unless you can find a team that has the wherewithal to make the trade and doesn't have 3 big men in their rotation that are better than Terrence and you aren't coming up with a trade that makes us pay an extra $2-4 million or more in cap space next season for a crap player then you should accept what I'm telling you.
