It will be interesting to see what happens with Brooklyn now that Jack is done with the ACL tear. They're basically 7-8 games out of the playoff chase. I could easily see Lawson making a difference there. And I think that gives us some leverage with Boston. Boston should want to do a deal with us that would keep us from flipping the Nets pieces they need to make a playoff push. Because a Nets playoff birth destroys the trade value of that Nets pick that Boston owns. This is one reason I'm pointing out we still own our pick if it's a lottery pick. That's a shot at Simmons.
According to malakas: Tier1: Harden Tier2: Howard Ariza 2018 unprotected Tier 3: DMO 2016 first Tier4: Capella Jones Tier 5 Beverly ,our second rounders Harell Kj Dekker Tier 6 (0 value) terry lawson Thornton Tier 7 (neg. Value) Brewer.
Actually before his initial injuries he was pretty damn good. Go look it up. Averaging nearly a double double at above 50% fg%. While he wasn't the same after the major nerve issue which put him down for half of the season he still had some good games. The way the Rockets are playing right now nobody is going to look good because it's harder to get open looks, the ball movement, and poor possessions will increase your turnovers, bad defense is contagious, and the overall mentality that sets in when you are losing and people are pointing fingers. A team like the Spurs, Cleveland, GSW etc would love to get their hands on more than a few Rockets including Jones as long as they fill a role they .... Again..... NEED.
D-Mo is expiring too, yet D-Mo is 3rd? Though D-Mo is set to be restricted while TJones is unrestricted, that does make a difference. I just dont see how a league minimum signing like Thornton has more value than TJones. And I think Jones is a doodoo player on Rockets.
People hate around will always be skewed dobro. Holic yes sir, we have a lot of assets. I'm curious to see which ones are utilized to better our team. This team needs to be shaking up in a major way.
IMO, Ariza definitely doesn't have as much or more trade value than any of our picks, DMo, or Capela. He has 2 more years on his contract and is declining in all aspects of basketball. Additionally, I just don't think Howard has much trade value right now. He's declining AND he's a FA looking for a super max. Wouldn't you prefer Capela. Lawson & Thornton certainly have value - they're expiring contracts that can produce in the right environment. Everybody should agree moving Brewer would require us to add a pick in the deal. The dude is TRASH.
Unless I'm missing something both DMo and Terrence are restricted. I happen to think teams would value him in trade much higher than Terrence. I would think contending teams would value Thornton above Terrence because Thornton has a clear definable skill that teams need off the bench especially. Terrence is most often a mismatch against his team when playing other contenders. (eg. Spurs)
BBholic Dekker doesn't have a single skill that will translate well in the NBA. We are lucky in a way that he has been injured and his trade value hasn't decreased further. Had he seen court time, teams would know what he is. And in that respect I am probably harsh in my assessment of Dekker having the worst trade value but his trade value is definitely worse than Montrez, TJ and KJ. The more he plays in the NBA, more people will realize that this guy just isn't going to cut it. At best an end of bench scrub. It was a garbage waste of a 18th pick to begin with and I am yet to remain convinced otherwise
Did Parsons have any skill that was going to translate well to the NBA? Okay shooter, good driver, solid rebounder, good size, a bit slow for the SF position, very similar to Dekker IMO. I dont follow college much but Dekker was on a better college team then Parsons no? Dekker also measures a higher vert, higher wingspan etc So if Parsons can translate to the NBA, their is a chance for Dekker to as well.
Glad you feel so confident in your convictions, but I have to agree with bbholic on the Dekker assessment. Time will tell. But he needs TIME before a proper assessment can be made. Not surprisingly, I do NOT agree with bbholic on the Terrence Jones ranking. I am not personally a huge fan of Terrence, but I think Jones will have real value on the trade market as a young up-and-coming PF whose restricted free agent rights can be controlled this summer. I think he'll eventually get overpaid, but his value is still there. I also disagree that a potential (but not overly likely) 2016 late lottery pick that is far more likely to be a 2018 pick than a 2016 lotto pick (let alone a high lotto pick) would be remotely of comparable worth to the Brooklyn unprotected 2016 first round pick. One will almost assuredly be a top-7 pick. The other will most likely be no worse than a 2018 mid-first rounder, especially if the pick is being dealt for a player of current positive on-court value. Still, it's an interesting discussion that bbholic is raising. Sadly, this is what Rockets fans are left to imagine about right now rather than the team's positive level of play.
I certainly hope Bima is right about Jones' trade value, it would be nice to get something for him in about 2 weeks when he gets moved. I don't personally see why there would be any interest, but hell, you just have to find one sucker. Look at what Morey did trading the rotting corpse of Tracy McGrady.
What does "real value on the trade market" mean, Bima? Do you feel Terrence is worth a late first? If so, from who? IMO, you have to break down trade value in two terms. 1. Draft pick value. 3. Incoming player value. Considering Terrence I don't see very much draft pick value, perhaps a 46-60 pick (late 2nd). In terms of incoming player value, I suppose you could move Terrence with Lawson and get back Thad Young and another player. In fact I think Brooklyn would jump on that deal. But I don't consider taking back Youngs long term high dollar contact getting back real value. Because I don't see Young being anything other than just a slightly better Terrence with the same skill deficits Terrence has on basically a bloated contract that Terrence is going to get. 6'9" power forwards who can't shoot and are subpar defenders and rebounders are common place. I'd like to read what "real value on the trade market" means to you in regards to Terrence. I do respect your opinion here. Might not agree but I'd like to know what you see here for my own consideration. And obviously I'd love to be wrong here since it would mean something better for the team.
By the way, right now it might not appear that our possible 2016 lottery pick converting to a 2018 unprotected pick has as much value as Brooklyn's 2016 unprotected first. But if we cut Brooklyn a good deal for Lawson and they take off up in the standings and we crater just a couple more games here then all of a sudden the tables are flipped......aren't they? And this could pose a real that to Boston, couldn't it? That's why I'm saying there's real value in our lottery first. Boston, right now, is on the edge of the playoff picture. If they controlled our possible lottery pick, plus their own possible lottery pick, plus they dealt with us and kept us from selling the farm to Brooklyn and destroying the value of the Brooklyn pick then they maximize their lottery odds. All Brooklyn needs to make a run is a small forward and a point guard. And we've got those pieces.
It's not so simple as to declare a player's value as a particular level of asset, since different teams have different needs, and those teams have (or don't have) assets of varying qualities. For instance, Team X may value Jones as worth a first rounder but doesn't have a first rounder to trade. Team Y may have several extra first rounders but not value Jones as worth any of them. But I'd imagine you could get a late first or early second rounder for Terrence, or his salary could be packaged with others in a deal for a higher-salaried rotation player. Still, it's extremely difficult to calculate these things in the abstract.
I doubt ORL would trade Oladipo for our lottery pick. Even if we miss the playoffs, our pick would likely fall in the 13-14 range. ORL is trading Oladipo for the 14th pick.
