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Better leader: Tracy McGrady or James Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TheRealist137, Jan 2, 2016.

  1. kyle7758521

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    :grin::grin:funny.
     
  2. daywalker02

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    Does not matter - both were not leaders

    Tmac was a better leader with the Orlando Magic and Harden was a better 6th man with OKC
     
  3. PeterKingX

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    Rockets Organization should make a public apology for the team's performance.
     
  4. wekko368

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    Are you forgetting about the 2009 season? We had legitimate championship aspirations, and McGrady sabotaged that season by being out of shape and then opting for surgery which torpedoed his trade value.
     
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    Really? 26 year old James Harden is past his prime? :rolleyes:
     
  6. daywalker02

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    I think Morey should come forward and apologize also.... official statement signed by Alexander and Morey
     
  7. Roxfreak724

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    Mcgrady never wanted to be the leader, but still held himself accountable for his mistakes. He never wanted to be the one to try and vocally lead the guys, just do whatever he could on the floor.

    harden on the other hand, wants to be a leader, but is just sh**** at it. He has a different level of accountability for himself and the rest of his his teammates, which obviously results in a lack of uniform effort throughout the team, and is fundamentally wrong. You have to lead by example and vocally, both things he struggles with (reserved and bad defense). But maybe he'll get better with time, who knows?

    I'm not sure what I would prefer, a superstar that's a bad leader or one that doesn't want to be the leader. The bad leader at least might have potential to become a better one. One thing is for sure between both of these guys, their work ethic is debatable, which isn't good when they're your teams best player. Maybe Mcgrady knew that and was wise enough not to want the job. Unfortunately, it looks like harden feels entitled to the leader role just by virtue of how much he fills the stat sheet. Thats just not how it works.

    We need a culture-setting superstar, like Nowitizki, duncan, kobe, lebron. Someone that has the game-impact-authority and can set the tone for the organization just through how much they work and carry themselves. We just don't have that kind of player right now
     
  8. daywalker02

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    I don't think Tmac would be a bad leader, he wanted to play with a superstar bad - Grant Hill, Yao Ming.......

    The wear and tear in Orlando got to him and I think he is a bad PR guy.

    He always says the wrong things to the media, and I think he knew it.

    He couldn't give interviews without being scrutinized and questioned.

    He needed a big brother who could shield these things for him. ;)
    If you know what I mean.
     
  9. DudeWah

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    Yeah exactly.

    Fans romanticize what "leading" and "heart" are while misrepresenting what "quitting" is. The infamous Toronto game wasn't even that bad. Kobe did similar things. Hakeem quit on the Rockets. LeBron did worse to Cleveland. Countless other examples.

    Harden has done much worse "quitting" already.

    We as fans are fickle by nature.
     
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    Ah the old T-Mac Haters are back...
     
  11. Downtown Sniper

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    Well one person got flamed for one individual moment in one individual game against a team from Canada.

    The other person receives much less flack for producing at least one of those moments in every single game.
     
  12. Drogba

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    Wonder how different the replies in this thread would've been last season.
     
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    Mcgrady fans wanting attention again.

    20 playoff games. That's all he played for the rockets.

    Michael Douglas was romancing the stone.
    Mcgrady fans are just stoned
     
  14. tinman

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    Benedict Arnold was a better leader than McGrady
     
  15. tinman

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    Anakin Skywalker was a better leader than mcgrady
     
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    Last month i was defending harden with you, but a new page has come up..

    Do not deny who Harden is a seed of a carmelo anthony, it is clear he is in it for the money and the image. He has been bad (for whatever reasons hes been)

    As much as i was a tmac fan, he (until injury) quit. Every play when healthy he looked to make a play on offense. Heck even defense he can notch over Harden...

    There is literally AT LEAST 1 play everynight where Harden quits on some play.

    The partying before and after games is not a sign of a leader. It is a sign of somebody operating a 9-5.

    The only benefit Harden gets is the fact that he improved everything last year. With that statment comes many question marks..

    A. Did he do all that to net deals and image?

    B. Has he already given up on this year (obv) because he got what he wanted in point A? Or he sees the season far gone to care anymore?

    I can make a montage every game of his mistakes and neglect.

    We know he is superior on offense and get a shot off ANNYTIME he wants. Why does he do a pnr with Howard and then get to the baseline just to pump fake instead of elevating while wide open? Then pass it off to teammates who cant create or dribble besides Thornton...?
     
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    T-mac was a better leader than Harden because he took responsibility for failures even if it wasn't his fault. Harden won't and hasn't taken responsibility for even his own faults. T-mac also makes his teammates better by passing the ball more and not dominating it. People don't realize that T-mac hasn't gone as far as Harden because of key injures to himself and Yao during the playoffs. Not to mention, his earlier teammates/role players were far less talented than Harden's team last year.
     
  18. daywalker02

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    Michael Douglas is romancing an ant.
     
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    True. He was the better player off the ball
     
  20. tinman

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    do you even know what i'm referencing?
     

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