Don't know if you've ever seen "Seven Samurai." I watched it long ago with friends, one of whom was trained/skilled in fighting with such a sword. There is a scene where samurai duel (i.e., not a "you killed my brother! I'll kill you!" scene, but, say, fight-to-the-death, skill-against-skill). Most of these "duels" are very brief. You have but to get inside the other's defense (obviously you have to be got-damn good) and he's toast. Swords might not even "CLANG" once. But I don't imagine we'll be seeing such simplicity in "Star Wars" lightsaber scenes. Not very cinematic.
I think there is a good middle ground somewhere between the overly flippy stuff from the prequels, and the overly out of control battle from TFA, although plot wise I could understand why the battles in TFA would be out of control. I can't imagine Kylo actually got to practice many lightsaber deuls, and Finn/Rey never have. Hopefully we get that in the sequels.
I didn't mind the battles, it actually made sense to me. Rey must have trained with that stick she carried around in her spare time. She seemed more apt with it than Kylo. Finn had a little practice with it and maybe they trained as troopers for close quarters combat? Kylo who knows. He was also injured. What mystified me is that Kylo was the more experienced force user so I'm not sure how Finn even lasts against him long enough to get hits in...unless he's a force user. You'd think Kylo would just paralyze him and cut him down right there.
I think most people downplay this, he got shot by a Wookie Bowcaster....that would kill most people. Also, he wasn't fully trained AND he wasn't wanting to kill Rey, he wanted to turn her.
Who says the battles are supposed to be elegant? The prequels? All Obi-wan said in the OT was that a lightsaber is an elegant weapon... and then we saw how elegant a battle could be with that stick fight between him and Darth Vader.
Well with Rey I understand. Her powers have awakened and she was already doing some advanced Jedi stuff. With Finn though...basically non force sensitive people are not able to handle a lightsaber in combat without basically maiming themselves. A few have done it but it usually end in quick defeat. Even if Kylo is hurt it doesn't really explain how Finn was able to do that. Unless either JJ just felt it was good cinema (The ordinary guy having the courage to pick up a saber and fend off Kylo) or they were hinting that he has some aptitude with the Force and I think they hinted at it several times in the movie any ways.
Were you not intrigued? The fact that people are asking those questions indicates their "care" for the new characters. People seem to be most impressed with Rey... and that's before even considering that her background/devleopment may be the most intriguing/plot-driving aspect about her. I'd say the level of interest in these characters would be on par with what a late 70's viewer would have after seeing ANH. It just gets overanalyzed now because of how big the franchise is.
According to Pablo Hidalgo (who is basically Disney's master of the new Star Wars canon) Kylo is of the age of 29-30 at the time of TFA. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/jimwade">@jimwade</a> around there. 29-30.</p>— Pablo Hidalgo (@pablohidalgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/678330999772610560">December 19, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Why is Driver getting hate though? He's not supposed to be another Vader, just a wannabe with daddy issues just like Anakin from the prequels. He did a great job. And he's a Marine Corps grunt! That's more bad ass than having some pretty boy model/actor who hires a trainer to work out for a year to be the new villain.
Lol, lightsaber duels can get a little tricky from time to time even for Jedi Masters. Spoiler <iframe width="654" height="280" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/OnDxxQugCI0?start=35" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Thanks. As for the flipping . . .well . .. with their superpowers The fighting would be beyond what a normal human could do I mean you can flip away/jump away from a guy that is about to cut you you might do it. Rocket River
Not to mention his arrogance. You can tell he was holding back on both of them, at least initially. What I find interesting is why, during Jedi battles, they don't use the force more. Seems like you could easily win during a saber duel if you use a Force push or something. And you see it occasionally, but not very often. Once Finn lit up the saber, Kylo could have just thrown him like a rag doll and end it. But that wouldn't make for good cinema.
1) I think people seriously underrate that ren was gravely wounded by chewbacca. 2) people forget that there has been essentially know use for Jedi powers for a generation. Ren may have powers, but he's never had an opportunity to hone them or learn how to fight someone who didn't cower from him and his armies. Vader was from an era where Jedi were training against other Jedi.
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/QnZaNNY_arU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> The Clone Wars ended up being an absolutely awesome series.
If he was so wounded why did he go after Finn and Rey. He dispatch Finn pretty quickly. Unless Rey is the most powerful jedi ever which she may be I don't see how she beat him so bad with no training. It was an ass whooping on Ren. Assuming he is 30 he has at least 20 years of training and he could stop laser beam. Even Anakin and Luke had training before they could kick ass.
And he graduated from Julliard. The MIT of acting schools in America. Spacey, Robin Williams, Viola Davis, Val Kilmer, Oscar Issac, Ving Rhames, Jessica Chastain... The dude can legit act and he's already a better villain than that drift wood Hayden Christensen.
where is he getting hate? the only hate I am aware of is max landis being called a sexist for rightly pointing out Rey is a Mary Sue. I thought all of the performances were great. Carrie fisher acted like a normal person which is a stretch for her.
