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Terrence Jones: A lesser Howard

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by coachbadlee, Jul 14, 2012.

  1. roksoer

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    Jones' play last night happened because he finally found his ****ing balls, hopefully he doesn't lose them again anytime soon.
     
  2. wekko368

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    Yep, that was a great defensive play. But did you see what happened after the block? Before the rebound was even secured (by Beverley), Jones was standing out of bounds, facing the Rockets' bench, and flexing. In other words, he was peacocking out of bounds while there was a loose ball near the opponent's basket.

    Like you said, thems the facts.

    Here you go:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj_vCwmjY3g

    Go to the 1:00 mark of the video.
     
  3. basketballholic

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    Would do that in a hot second. And I'd bet Morey would too. You've been saying this for how long now malakas? And it hasn't gotten done. Why?
     
  4. Dopamine

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    Awesome post!!

    oh and TJ is currently shooting .405% from downtown on .7-1.8 attempts.
     
  5. wekko368

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    You're missing the point. Jefferson's strength isn't his defense...it's his offense. And considering how the refs were calling the game, Jefferson's presence would've meant less playing time for Jones. And IMO, Jefferson not playing was the difference between a Rockets' win and a loss.
     
  6. malakas

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    because in contrast to you I don't pretend to have any inside sauces and I judge by trading value what a trade is fair and fits both teams.
    This trade would be fair. Any fair trade doesn't mean it is going to happen. :rolleyes:
    Nice baiting.
     
  7. malakas

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    No! Don't say that. I have seen it posted so many times and it's completely bullcrap. A first rounder is ALWAYS better than a first rounder. You get dibs first in the better talent and look at what the early second rounders got this year! WIht such a cap rise you give them much more than in years past.

    You still haven't explained how it was only Jones of all the bigs that dominated their frontcourt, and how that how so few bigs from other teams has dominated them enough to lead to their loss. ESP when they had Big Al who can't defend his shadow.

    But maybe the constant need to put down every single good perfomance of Jones ,disregard it and ridicule it and blame him for everything is the answer.
     
  8. malakas

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    I meant to write a first rounder is always better than a second rounder...:rolleyes:
     
  9. basketballholic

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    malakas,

    you have stated very clearly multiple times that Jones trade value is a late first rounder. I have rebuffed you every time because I know we attempted to get a first last year at this time and we couldn't get it. Now you are admitting that you don't know who will offer a late first but in your judgment a late first is fair.

    LOL. And I'm baiting? :grin:
     
  10. basketballholic

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    The only way we get a first, even a late first for Terrence is if we throw in another asset or assets. For instance, Terrence plus the Knicks and Nuggets first might get us a late first. Or Terrence, McDaniels, and a high second might get us a low first. But Terrence won't get us a late first. We woulda already moved him if it would.
     
  11. malakas

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    Yup except that you know very well that I dont' believe any word you say when it comes to your sources and your so called "know for a fact" on the goings of this fo.

    So yup you are baiting because you have no idea when you rebuff others for a fair value trade. :)

    And for the record there are specific teams that he would fit not everyone , not every team would be willing to throw their first rounder.
     
  12. dobro1229

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    Either or, they both stink. Late 1st or high second... at that point in the draft you are taking a gamble either way. Obviously the higher in the draft the pick is, the better chances are that the player is good. So yeah obviously the value of any pick is theoretically better than any second rounder.

    But that's besides the point. The point is they both aren't worth trading Terrence Jones for unless-

    A. Harrell has beaten Jones out clearly
    B. Howard, Capela, and D-Mo are healthy
    and
    C. The Rockets are punting the season.

    I base that off of Brewer being worth two second rounders to Morey last year. If Brewer or Prigioni are worth two seconds each to Morey as a rental than I have to assume Jones is worth the same to him even as a rental in the last year of his deal where he might walk in the offseason for nada.

    So doing a deal like that is pretty pointless right this second. Who knows though. Maybe Harrell has a GREAT next 6 weeks and clearly puts Jones on the bench long term. If that happens sure let's do this hypothetical. Right now I don't feel wonderful about the big man rotation for the second half of the season as we all want the Rockets to make a push and compete for a deep playoff run.

    Ohh... and BBHollic is speaking in absolutes as if he's the NBA god himself. He has no freaking idea what the F he's talking about. I don't know if Toronto has or hasn't offered this and neither does he/she. F him.
     
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  13. malakas

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    More than half of our starting lineup is comprised by players picked in the late first round or second round.:p :grin:
     
  14. marky :)

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    He's got 4 sources now. See sig below.
     
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    Just because there is a specific team that Terrence would "fit" doesn't mean they're willing to give a first for him.

    LOL. You're hilarious.
     
  16. DrNuegebauer

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    Yes malakas apparently, you are the one with no idea because what you think is fair hasn't hapoened. Yes, yes, you have no idea, not the person who claims sources and says Jones will be traded every season, but it hasn't yet happened...
     
  17. dobro1229

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    Hence why our GM has stayed employed as long as he has. He's pretty damn good in that area.

    Capela is the THIRD highest draft pick in the starting lineup selected at TWENTY FIVE. Ariza was a super late 2nd rounder as was Beverley.

    That's just unbelievable when you look at other teams around the league.

    GSW -

    PG - 7th pick
    SG- 11th pck
    Sf- 9th pick
    PF- 35th pick
    C- #1 pick

    That's only one player in the starting lineup lineup that wasn't a lottery pick. Yes the Warriors are unbelievable but they had to draft for and trade for ALOT of lottery picks to make it happen. What Morey has done with less is pretty damn impressive. It also kind of makes me think that with Morey two picks in the 2nd round might actually be better than a late 1st. More chances to land a Parsons, Brooks, Landry, etc.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    I believe he does have to make a choice, only because the most value he will get of a player is at the trade deadline or thereabouts when teams are desperate.

    Once summer hits, they can simply sign either of them outright to a contract and Morey has to match or let them walk.

    This is why I believe he will be trading one of them before the deadline to get the most bang for his buck.

    DD
     
  19. OpenLayup-Why3?

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    Fact is that when TJ was out there last night, the Rockets scored exactly the same as Hornets.
     
  20. cdrive

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    Not true. He lands out of bounds after blocking the shot. He watches the rebound bouncing to Pat Beverley. Pat Beverley has the ball when TJ is looking at the bench.

    Here is the video so everyone can see this
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/SebygtRlyTM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    :50-:59 mark - Clint clearly needed help D on the Lin drive. It would have been incorrect for TJ to let Lin reverse lay up on a beat Capela. What is obvious to me from the video is how Brewer screwed up. With help D, everyone moves and covers for everyone like they are attached by string. Brewer was supposed to come in for Kapinsky, but instead he....instead he ...I don't know what you call it. He runs out to the 3 pt corner but no one is there even though he clearly has Kapinsky in his eyesight in front of him.

    1:00 mark..yeah Kaminsky just juked TJ good. But it wasn't as if TJ was in la la land forgetting his guy while getting back cut. He just got beat on a juke move. It happens. It also happened with the Hornets passing the ball in because 4 seconds earlier, Spencer Hawes got his shot blocked by Terrence Jones. That was why the ball was being brought in. He just got juked right after jumping up and blocking a shot...could have been slightly winded from having to do it all. The part about TJ causing the inbound to happen in the 1st place with a block was conveniently omitted.
     

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