LOF? LOL! I was one of Lins biggest critics and frequently referred to as an LOH by LOF's but thats another topic. If you hate Terrence as a power forward making about 2.5 mil a season that expires next summer, imagine how much you will quickly grow to hate Markief who makes 8 million a season and doesn't expire until 2019 with no team options. Remember that Terrence is superior to Markief in almost every measurable statistic regardless if you just look at this season or career stats. Terrence is a better rebounder both this season and for his career. He averages about 1.1 rebounds per 36 more than Markief throughout their careers. Terrence is a better shot blocker both this season and career. Terrence FG% is better this season and career averaging over .500 for his career and .450 this season. Morris is averaging only .445 for career and .386 this season. Terrence 3pt% is better this season and career. Terrence 3pt percentage has gotten better each season going from .263 to .307 to .351 to .405. Markief has been on a downward trend since his rookie season starting at .347 to .336 to .315 to .318 to .311. Calling Markief an NBA caliber Power Forward is a stretch. Bad attitude, bad on the court and makes 8 million a season till summer of 2019 with no team option. The only thing that could be argued is that Markief is a slightly better defender than Jones when he is engaged. However, even when he plays decent on defense, Jones is still a better rebounder and shot blocker. And lets talk rebounding for a minute, at least Jones could make the argument that he has always played next to a dominant rebounder in Asik and Howard. Markief has never played next to a dominant rebounder so what is his excuse. Power Forwards with Markief Morris's ability are a easy to find. It makes no since to go backwards in talent and while adding more guaranteed salary to your salary cap. I would much rather lat TJones walk this summer for nothing than trade him for a player like Markief Morris who would make the team worse in the locker room and on the court.
I'll stand by my word on this one. I absolutely hate this deal. Not cause I'm a Jones fan... I'm not. Unload him for a pick elsewhere. I hate the idea of doubling .... Tripling down on the locker room risks with adding in a petulant child who also has a criminal background. I trust Morey so there must be something more he's trying to accomplish but I don't see it. This trade... I don't like it one bit. I guess I'll wait and see.
lol not you, the lofs above who said that if lin was our pg TJ would be a star now.:grin: First I don't hate Jones and secondly the reason Jones is traded is because he will get MORE than Markieff. If he could be signed for 8 per then we would keep him and resign him.
We would be lucky to do this deal. My worry is that by the time Brewer is elligible Phoenix will have found another trade partner. Markieff can recuperate his trade value here and then if we don't want him ship him off and get back even a first. Brew on the other hand is hot garbage.
I was apathetic about this trade at first, but I've grown to dislike it. The central point for me is to unload Brewer, but you're actually adding on a year to salary commitments with Morris. And as you said....another knucklehead.
The best option for this team right now is to eat Brewers salary and hope he turns it around. I'd do Brewer + Tjones if we were getting back Teletovic.....not Morris.
Sorry, my fault. I completely misunderstood you. While I understand this line of thinking, I also think it's flawed. 8 million a year is a bargain for a good rotational power forward and moving forward. But for a low talent diva like Markief, it makes no since. Thats why I say if Markief is the best you can get for Jones then you let Jones walk after the season and look elsewhere for a back up power forward.
Except Morris isn't a very good rotational player, especially when considering the volatility of his personality. He has complained about playing time, roles and other issues and it has impacted his play. If he is your starting PF, you aren't going to win games and there are serious questions about whether he would be happy playing 15-20 minutes a night. So is the long term deal really an asset? Does he really have any value? The upside is limited.
yes he's an asset because he won't be your starting pf. He will be your backup pf and will be one of the best backup pfs in the whole league- and paid as the other backup pfs pretty soon. And 8 per that goes for how many more years during all his prime is a great contract. All these things were said about his bro, but so far so good in Detroit and he was the one who was the bad apple, the instigator of most of the incidents. Besides in the Suns you ahve to understand that NOONE respects the coach and the players do what they want. There was no accountabillity. Bledsoe got techs, Dragic got techs, the Morrii got techs, Green got techs ,the coach got techs everyone got techs left and right. The coach had in the end to make the rule that whoever gets tech gets the bench to try to control them a bit.
I can't believe people seriously believe Markieff Morris isn't an NBA caliber power forward, that's just ridiculous and there is nothing you can present to back that statement up. He was the second best player on a 48 win Suns team 2 seasons ago, below Dragic in win shares, running pick and rolls. Was a positive on both offense and defense. PER of 18.4 in 27 minutes per game. This guy isn't a scrub. Just watch his tape and it's blatantly obvious he can play very good basketball. Now the criticism that he's a "diva" might or might not be warranted, I don't pretend to know. I do know a player of his caliber doesn't have enough leverage to demand a trade or throw a fit like he did last season, but thats not a good enough reason for me. If you have faith in our coaching staff and organization, and if Morris definitely wants to play here, you trade Jones and Brewer (who has by far been our worst player this year) for him 10/10. PFs who can shoot the mid range, with a post up game, can pass or initiate offense, mobile/fast, has the potential to be a good defender do not grow on trees and they are not easy to find. We don't have any on our roster.
Also, this is like all the people who hated Josh Smith last year, when it turns out he was probably one of our most important players last year. Chucker, hothead, locker room cancer, blah blah blah... instead we got, engaged josh smith, one of our best defenders, led our second unit.. use your brains people.
Really hope we land this dude. He will instantly bring some intensity and scoring to our bench. He can create for himself which is something only a few in this team can do
Thank you....Look at the people who can create for themselves on GS off the dribble... Grren, Iggy, Curry, barbosa, Barnes, Klay. All we have is harden, supoosed to be lawson and thornton. its simply not enough especially not having a true PG.
Morris would barely crack the rotation....why trade for him? With Dwight, Capela, and DMo getting almost all the minutes at PF it just seems like a waste of resources to go after a headcase to sit on the bench for almost all of every game.
The dude can ball. If he didn't play it would be a huge fail by the coaching staff. But it's not like it would be a big shocker. JB does some head scratching things. Morris should be the first big off the bench with DMo starting. He would bring many things to the bench that we do not have ( scoring, toughness ) it wouldn't be a waste of Brewer and Jones at all.
I was rethinking this today. IMO Morris is not significantly better or worse than Jones at anything so it's a lateral move which is ok as long as Morris realizes he's coming here to back up D-Mo. At his current salary he's only a few million above next year's MLE and locked in for a few years. We get to shed Brewer and give McDaniels his minutes. Doesn't really affect our cap space. It's just a matter of solidifying our backup PF position. Then I remembered we have Harrell who I expect to be a solid backup PF next season. If that's the case, we should only deal Brewer for cap relief using Jones as the sweetner. Get a PF who can help this season as a backup but no long contract. I realized I don't really care about getting Morris as much as I care about getting rid of Brewer's contract and giving his minutes to McDaniels. If McDaniels can get some serious backup minutes in, it will allow him to develop into a better player than Brewer by the end of this season.
I know. It's completely silly lol. What? Dwight can't play pf and is debatable if he will be able to play b2b for all year. Not to mention that he is going to be a fa looking for max. Capella fouls out in 20 minutes and is hacked. Dmo is still coming off a serious injury and can't play 40 minutes a night. You are proposing we don't need another big when there is 48x2 minutes for all those positions? And dumbing Brew is not a waste of resources. Except Harrell is not someone you want yet to go with you in the playoffs as your only backup pf. And Jones is not enough sweetener to just dump Brew. Philly and Portland have too many young bigs to be interested in absorbing Brew for the sweetener of Jones. When Kieff's problems with the law finish and he stop tanking his own value to get out of Phoenix, there is a very good possibillity he will recuperate his trading value and will be worth MUCH more in the trade market. If you dont' want to keep him in one year you can easilly trade him then, and get back assets. It's a VERY good gamble. Much better gamble than to keep Brewer and expect him to raise his trading value enough to not be negative or to pay Jones 15+ per a year.
