Muslims...tell me something nice about your religion

You didn't even read a single word of my retort did you?

YOUR OWN ARTICLE YOU LINKED EXPLICITLY STATED THAT Maulana Muhammad Ali was the first person the ever suggest her age being any greater than 10 and most Sunni scholars believe him and his sect of Ahmadiyya is heretical.

 

ISIS kills thousands more Muslims than they kill anyone else. The West doesn't care, because murdered Muslims in the Middle East don't seem as real as people in a Paris cafe or rock concert.

 

I'll tell you some nice things.

- On Eid, which is islamic new year, kids get cash. Not gifts, just hard cash. I don't know if this is a rule or just a custom which evolved, but basically on eid most people get visited or visit other family and friends. For our family cause my dad is eldest in the family tree, we used to get visited by 100+ people ongoing from morning till evening. When people visit they give cash to kids. Kids are suddenly raking it in and then get to use that money to buy whatever they want. I like it not only because it involves dozens of people combining to make one kid's day, but also because it's hilarious watching overly dressed kids walking around like Tony Soprano with wads of cash in their hands and talking about what they're going to buy. :grin:

- #1 fun fact for Americans is that Jesus is mentioned more favorably and more often than Muhammad in the Quran.

- It completely halted the practice of burying new born daughters. People were so poor and uneducated that they were burying daughters at birth or selling/trading them before they're 10 until Islam came along. They used to do this because they thought daughters couldn't bring in money other than by selling them and selling them has the added downside of you feeling like the turd you are. To be fair though, they literally did not have enough food to feed themselves. This was basically their version of abortion gone horrifyingly wrong.

- Prayer at the break of dawn - if you actually get up for this everyday, you're probably going to be a very productive person during the day. First prayer is at dawn, and last one is at night so you basically wake up early and sleep early which is apparently good for productivity in most cases.

- Washing up each time you pray (supposed to be 3 or 5 times a day). This was especially awesome 1,300 years ago, but even now I feel like some people can do with more showers so thumbs up from me.

- Praying is really good for clearing the mind, if you don't focus on process as much as substance.

- You're supposed to sit down when you pee, so if you're like me you spent many years mastering your aim while standing up so that piss stains on toilet seat don't give you away!! I'm really accurate now.

- Condoms, abortions and divorces are super ok in Islam. May not seem like much, but consider the alternative religions of centuries ago. Women had some rights suddenly that no Middle Easterners - including Jews and Christians - had only dreamed of up to that point.

- Simple rule: people on your right walk through doors first. Person on the left is last. Gender doesn't matter. Avoids placing any importance on gender. Age doesn't matter either unless the person has an issue. Can we all go by this one? Less awkwardness in elevators lol.

- Racism is abhored. Some of Muhammad's last words:

- Treatment of orphans, poor, elderly and handicapped is unrivalled by any other religion. It goes over and above protecting them. Mandatory charity contributions from everyone. Paying that charity is one of what they call the biggies. Transgressing this rule is as serious as any other rule in Islam.

- Polygamy. I don't want to marry multiple people, but I think it's really primitive to imagine a world where men and women want to commit to a single sexual relationship. That's not how most people are living. While Islam doesn't extend this right of polygamy to women unfortunately, I still think it's a step in the right direction for the world (minus the sexism) to provide better legal protections for unplanned children and relationships. If a guy is dating 5 girls at a time, that guy is 100% responsible for the consequences of his relationships with all those people, not just one of the 5 women and any children which may result from the relationships too. I don't find it strange that being in a sexual relationship with someone activates a bunch of automatic legal protections for both sides. I don't really care if someone wants to sleep with 10 women, have a relationship with 2 of them and divorce one every other week. I really don't care. All I care about is that the people involved are enforceably responsible for whatever happens or whatever needs arise. I'm tired of seeing kids grow up in broken homes just because we find a taboo in something is not taboo at all. These are grown consenting adults, if they want to be in multiple marriages that's punishment enough on its own lol.

- In Islam, marriage is for protection of the parties legally. It's not the contract itself that designates you as 'married'. In fact, even after the couple signs the contract, the MARRIAGE is not official till it's announced publicly and people acknowledge it. What makes this work is the semi-automatic marriage process in Islam. I like this because I can't understand why a 3rd person is needed to wed two people. That's just charity we're dishing out to mullahs and priests because they chose jobs which don't pay and don't seem to want to actually do anything else a lot of the time.

- Just going to throw this one in there because I wish more Muslims knew it: in Islam, a husband is responsible to God for remaining as sexually attractive as possible to his wife. That means eating well, working out and whatever male grooming is needed.

- My favorite thing about Islam is that it is rooted in a culture of intellectual rebellion that remains the gold standard in the world. This is a religion who was conceived with one main idea: you do not tell me what to believe. It's in every word and every letter of that book. That is exactly how and why this guy transformed a starving, poor Arab population into the rulers of the known world unlocking massive scientific pockets in astronomy, pharmacology, chemistry and algebra. While it's clear that this is a general quality of Abrahamic religions, it's never more mental and intellectual for followers of the religion than in Islam. We're always going to be in a world where someone is trying to impose something on us, so intellectual rebellion is an eternal virtue we have to live by IMO. This is not really a thing you can teach someone, it's just something people can be aware about more often. It's how to think rather than WHAT to think. Not to necessarily practice it aggressively or routinely, but I believe people should learn a lot more about avoiding it, organizing it, executing it and maintaining its results because hundreds of millions of lives could have been saved in history if we had reached a place where a government were serious about teaching its citizens how to paralyze the government itself if and when necessary. Wonderful stuff that leads to especially excellent minds. People learning about how to run their own businesses, how to do research, read about science, reject war or business propaganda, maintain your duty to raise your children, etc. It's about improving your mind so that you are sharp as a scalpel if your principles come into question and you have enough impartiality to decide if you could be wrong. It's essentially about fighting for what you believe in. First you have to know what you should know. Then you rebel with your mind. Then if you are physically forced to change your mind, then you respond with physical self defense.

This is why you get great and pertinent quotes like this from the Quran:

Or this one, which is fascinating to me:

 

To suggest she was the first one to have this view is a bit inaccurate .
You know the golden rule in Islam or in life generally , if something doesn't feel right, then most likely it's not.


Bokhari's himself had many Hadeeth indicate she was much older , Ibn Maja ,Termithe , Ibn Ahmed among others had Hadeeths which indicates the same result.

Aiysha was a nurse before she was engaged , she recited many early versus of Quran 8 years before she got married .

Though not many agree at what age she got engaged , but most do agree she was between [11 to 19]

Here is one take on her age
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Did you know you can get all of those from common sense and reason without the extra religion baggage!!!

 

Mostly a nice post, but this one confused me. Its better to disallow polygamy than to only give that right to men but not women, IMO.

 

Of course.

Did you know religion historically is a big part of why that's now considered "common sense"?

 

I don't know, I'm kind of 50-50 on it.

In general though I think it's so much more civilized and and legally prudent to allow polygamy for everyone.

It is stupid to allow only half the population to do it based on an irrelevant thing like gender. But do we look at rights in this way in all cases?

For example, is it better to give freedom and independence to half the population of a country or none? If we say none, then we say America is never born since George Washington declares independence but doesn't extend that freedom to slaves and other groups. What about voting? Would women be voting today in America if their struggle was preceded by someone saying men alone shouldn't have the right to vote?

I'm asking genuine questions here. I don't know if it's better to ban it for all or allow for half when I consider the ultimate goal to be everyone having that right. I'm willing to defer to anyone who can analyze that part of it better than I'm doing.

But at the core of it all I'm saying is, we are kidding ourselves with this anti-polygamy stuff. I can't see the rationale in a world where we've clearly accepted that any consenting adults should be able to have sex with each other freely, but how come the protections for those relationships can only be fully extended to one single relationship per person? Seems really strange.

Finally, a rock solid case can be made that the quran never actually says only men can be polygamous. Islamic jurisprudence is designed such that: everything is halal/allowed except for what is haram/disallowed. The significance of that is: if the quran never explicitly states that women shouldn't have polygamous relationships, then it's kosher.

 

It's my understanding that polygamy was permitted because there were more women than men due to war, labor, life expectancy, etc. and the logic of the period was that men had to take care of women.

Society has evolved to where this practice is no longer necessary.

 

Just a note: that's not a rule in Islam. Also claiming something is an Islamic rule when it's not is a really really big sin in your religion.

Do you know that rape feels right to rapists? Child molestation feels wonderful to child molestors? Murderers. Hitler. George Bush. What a human feels has nothing to do with what is good or bad or right or wrong. We're defective creatures.

 

That's a theory with almost no backing. Lots more women were dying in war back then relative to today. Polygamy is the norm, it's the abolishment of polygamy that is the outlier in human history.

Also, doesn't matter if it's necessary. Your right to marry is not necessary either. Nor your freedom of speech, etc. Just because something is unnecessary doesn't mean it should be banned.

 

most muslim women seek divorce when their husband plan to marry another women ,no one can force them to stay

99% of men would luv to have many women.
1% of men have the courage to do and get away with it

 

Yeah, how courageous of them to cling to a flimsy rule they invented which says your existing wife doesn't have to agree to you getting married to someone else simultaneously.

Thankfully, the Islamic form of polygamy is dying out really fast because even the daughter of a strict Muslim has a smartphone and can see what a terrible bargain they're getting vs other girls.

 

“Seek judgment from your heart even if your are given fatwas by muftis.” – is reported by Imam Ahmad and other compilers of hadith, and it is deemed a good hadith by Imam An-Nawawi in his book entitled, Riyad As-Salihin, and Imam As-Siyuti followed An-Nawawi and deemed it a good hadith in his book entitled, Al-Jami` As-sakhir. Al-Albani also regarded it as a good hadith as stated in his book, Sahih Al-Jami`.

Basicly fatwa does not give anyone a license to commit any wrong doing.

. Or use he legal ways to achieve illegal things, by shifting the responsibility

toward others , Every adult held accountable for his/her action and there is no such excuses

such as.." ..well I was told it was OK, when morally and ethically is not "

 

Even if she

 

........even if the wife agreed , there is no guaranty she may "accidentally ...according to her lawyer " , ...chop his thing to little pieces while her husband sleeping

 

What if someone's heart tells them Muhammad is satan?

What if my heart tells me I need to get 10 bad b****es, a bottle of patron and kilo of coke tonight?

It doesn't make any sense what you're saying. This hadith is not saying you should follow your heart's judgement at all times. In fact, a lot of the Quran is about rejecting your heart's desires.

The Quran precedes and overrules the hadith according to your religion. The hadith cannot negate the quran, it is impossible. If a hadith said you can't marry multiple wives, it would be rejected without analysis.

If the Quran says to follow certain rules and there was a hadith which said follow your heart then that makes the quran useless, negates everything.

If you're going to believe in this religion, you have to start reconciling the contradictions in your interpretation. The hadith is clearly stating that if you receive a special purpose fatwa and you have a very bad feeling about it, then you don't have to follow the fatwa. It does not say to follow your proverbial heart in all situations, as a golden rule of Islam. That is the opposite of Islam.

I know because I grew up in the same region as you that teachers of islam always say to Muslim kids that atheists and those who break islamic rules even if they're not muslim they feel in their heart that they're doing something wrong because their soul is muslim but the world has corrupted them. This simply isn't true. People feel GOOD in their heart about good and bad things, right and wrong things, and different opinions. You have to confront this reality at your age and keep asking questions although I know that islamic teachers say that some questioning is too much and too far and the work of the devil.

You have to find out that even in what they call the golden age of islam, there were tyrants and egoists and selfish people too. Things were not black and white.

 

What do you define as Jewish? A practitioner or a person that has heritage?

 

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