ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Kings 12/15/2015

IzakDavid13 · Dec 15, 2015

Rockets win 117-95

mvpcrossxover · Dec 15, 2015

sugrlndkid said: ↑

Were was Clint Capela last night?
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Food poisoning I believe

sugrlndkid · Dec 15, 2015

zeeshan2 said: ↑

Sat out due to an illness I think
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mvpcrossxover said: ↑

Food poisoning I believe
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thanks guys...

J Sizzle · Dec 15, 2015

IzakDavid13 said: ↑

Rockets win 117-95
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That would require them caring about the game from start to finish.

I hope you're right!

Deuce · Dec 15, 2015

Codman said: ↑

James should shoulder a great deal of the blame, as our number one option. He has lost a step, but I don't see it from an athletic viewpoint. He has regressed psychologically as a leader, as well as a competitor. Any one of us can see that he hasn't quite reached the "Killer" identity that he played with last year.
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Codman, awesome post. Thanks for taking the time to write it. I am at a loss as to why Harden is in a malaise. And the team is in a malaise. It doesn't make sense to me. We have heard Howard talk about the team having "trust issues" and it seems they just don't trust each other offensively to make a play or defensively to make a rotation. And then when things get bad they turn on each other in the fashion you described.

I guess chemistry is odd, I don't know how a role player trade fixes this. It almost feels like this team needs an entire offseason/training camp of a new philosophy to shake off these issues.

ksny15 · Dec 15, 2015

Deuce said: ↑

Codman, awesome post. Thanks for taking the time to write it. I am at a loss as to why Harden is in a malaise. And the team is in a malaise. It doesn't make sense to me. We have heard Howard talk about the team having "trust issues" and it seems they just don't trust each other offensively to make a play or defensively to make a rotation. And then when things get bad they turn on each other in the fashion you described.

I guess chemistry is odd, I don't know how a role player trade fixes this. It almost feels like this team needs an entire offseason/training camp of a new philosophy to shake off these issues.
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When you're players are forming their own cliques within the team that is a major issue. It's not surprising that this team is on a downward spiral with Cod's news. Team's are suppose to be a collective unit, a brotherhood if you will. It's clear that the players on this team don't enjoy each other company and this wont magically fix its self.

I'm very skeptical about Cod saying Morey is bringing in help because I don't think there is much out there for what we have to offer but these inner cliques need to be broken up.

OpenLayup-Why3? · Dec 15, 2015

Haren was having worst games to get rid of McHale. If he has another bad game tonight it means he wants Dwight gone too.

thejav · Dec 15, 2015

Capela playing?..hopefully..

onreego · Dec 15, 2015

OpenLayup-Why3? said: ↑

Haren was having worst games to get rid of McHale. If he has another bad game tonight it means he wants Dwight gone too.
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So if Dwight has another bad game what does that mean?

PeterKingX · Dec 15, 2015

zeeshan2 said: ↑

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Harden said he wasn't in "attack mode" as he attempted a season-low three free throws during the loss.</p>— Calvin Watkins (@calvinwatkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/calvinwatkins/status/676656210926530560">December 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rockets with season-low 26 rebounds in loss to Denver.</p>— Calvin Watkins (@calvinwatkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/calvinwatkins/status/676624243958792192">December 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Could Harden tell us before game started that whether he is to be in attack mode or not? If he gonna choke, I will not watch this game.

Red Glares · Dec 15, 2015

Hope we get blown out by 30 PTs. Let's Dwight go now so they can get something for him! This team needs changes asap! Make moves Morey or you're gone next.

rockets13champs · Dec 15, 2015

Ty needs to play more balanced. If ur open shoot the ball

digitallinh · Dec 15, 2015

Codman said: ↑

This one isn't going to be easy, especially after last night, when I watched our boys stink it up against the Denver Nuggets. It's difficult rocking all Rockets gear and having Denver fanboys with drunk muscles feeling good about themselves. I was heckled plenty. LOL

Anyway, from last night, we looked depleted out there. When you sit courtside, you are able to examine things that aren't shown on TV, and quite a lot of body language/conversations that you wouldn't be able to see or hear farther away.

There are some personality issues on this team. The way certain players speak to their teammates is unhealthy, disrespectful and terrible for morale.

There are cliques on this team, and the players are not subtle about which "side" they're on.

One could argue that our two superstars are not on the same page, on both a basketball level and in terms of a personal relationship that goes beyond the court.

I noticed a great deal of differences last night, in comparison to our last game at the Pepsi Center. It's flat out sad. Somewhere, somehow, our team lost the drive to be great. I don't know if it happened in the preseason, when McHale began to lose his grip on the team, or it could be as simple as our guys not playing enough together, and McHale didn't focus his practices enough to address the disconnect. It seems like McHale's approach to the season was way too lose, and he figured chemistry would work itself out on the court as the season progressed. That, in itself, is a terrible methodology of coaching, and with the addition of guys like Ty, and injuries to our 4s, we were being set up for failure.

James should shoulder a great deal of the blame, as our number one option. He has lost a step, but I don't see it from an athletic viewpoint. He has regressed psychologically as a leader, as well as a competitor. Any one of us can see that he hasn't quite reached the "Killer" identity that he played with last year. The problem with that is our supporting cast, like Pat, Corey, Ty and TJ, have played well-below expectations. The margin for error is very small now, and we're reaching the point of fighting just to make the playoffs.

It may seem like we're only a few games back of being decent in the standings, but as of now, nobody fears playing us. We are predictable and don't have the same perseverance as before, when we start losing in the third and fourth quarter. It's been years since I've seen a Rockets team throw in the towel when the going gets tough.

Last night, when the Rockets got down by 8 early in the third, the amount of disgruntled, defeated faces was shocking. In the past, our guys would have found some resolve and would have recognized that a 10-15 point deficit is nothing. Basketball is a game of runs. It's easy to come back from a double-digit deficit, but only if a team has a strong level of trust and investment to winning. Moreover, a team can come back against any team, but only if the communication among players has positive intent and each individual player takes accountability on defense and playing just as hard as the next guy.

Admittedly, I am a huge fan of Trevor Ariza, but even from an objective standpoint, Trev, Marcus and a recovering DMo were playing "harder" (yuck, McHale word) than everyone last night. Even Dwight was lazy when it came to protecting the rim from the weak side, and he was outplayed by a surprisingly-efficient Joffrey Lauvergne. That just can't happen. Period. Dwight is our second best defender, and arguably, our only threat in the paint. His effort last night was mediocre and uninspiring.

Yes, I know there is a flu-bug in the locker room, and James wasn't feeling great. However, when you are a team's number one guy, and when you proclaim yourself as the best player in the NBA, you go out there and compete, regardless of your body. Some of it is mind over matter, and as I mentioned, James' mind does not appear to be as strong as last season. And no, it has absolutely nothing to do with Khloe Kardashian. It has everything to do with self-motivation, and on the flip, the relationship he has with his teammates. Something is not there, and his loyalty doesn't seem to be cohesive towards the team, but instead, his close buddies on the team. You can guess who that is....Dwight is guilty of this too, but it seems to be a bit more civil and subtle.

I don't know if it was shown on Htown tv, but I was pretty disgusted with Dwight's antics with "Rocky," the Nuggets' mascot, during the end of time-outs in the second half. Dwight was playing around with him, pretending to fight him, much like our beloved Chuck used to do back in the day. They had epic "battles." However, our team wasn't playing well, nor was Dwight on an individual level, so in my mind there was absolutely no reason to be smiling and talking to the crowd, along with beating on a mascot. I wish he would save that type of stuff for when he's on the bench, and our team has a comfortable 20-point lead.

That's just where our guys are at right now: still disconnect and unfocused. It's not nearly as bad as before, like last time Kevin walked off the court before the end of regulation and looked like the most pathetic coach in the league. However, it's still not a good look for a team that's struggling to find its way and having a hell of a time playing together.

J.B. is doing a great job, and his passion to win and be competitive is incredibly evident. His timeouts were excellent last night, but no matter how good a coach is, and no matter how intelligent his methods are, he has only concentrated, specific control on the outcome. If his "leaders" aren't playing to their abilities, salaries and expectations, there's very little he can do. J.B. is an inspiring voice...that's for sure.

The issue is that our guys are going through the motions, playing to the beat of their own drum. That doesn't lend itself to being a well-oiled machine in the basketball world.

I hope what I've heard is correct and that DM is sending for help.

We need new blood, energy and a breath of fresh air. This team is running on fumes.
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So....

Who is in Harden's clique and who is in Howards?

I want to know who we will be left with once we get rid of Howard and his friends.

#TeamHarden

RasaqBoi · Dec 15, 2015

Hardens clique is Jones. Lawson. Beverley. He hangs out with them in the clubs.

DaDakota · Dec 15, 2015

Codman said: ↑

This one isn't going to be easy, especially after last night, when I watched our boys stink it up against the Denver Nuggets. It's difficult rocking all Rockets gear and having Denver fanboys with drunk muscles feeling good about themselves. I was heckled plenty. LOL

Anyway, from last night, we looked depleted out there. When you sit courtside, you are able to examine things that aren't shown on TV, and quite a lot of body language/conversations that you wouldn't be able to see or hear farther away.

There are some personality issues on this team. The way certain players speak to their teammates is unhealthy, disrespectful and terrible for morale.

There are cliques on this team, and the players are not subtle about which "side" they're on.

One could argue that our two superstars are not on the same page, on both a basketball level and in terms of a personal relationship that goes beyond the court.

I noticed a great deal of differences last night, in comparison to our last game at the Pepsi Center. It's flat out sad. Somewhere, somehow, our team lost the drive to be great. I don't know if it happened in the preseason, when McHale began to lose his grip on the team, or it could be as simple as our guys not playing enough together, and McHale didn't focus his practices enough to address the disconnect. It seems like McHale's approach to the season was way too lose, and he figured chemistry would work itself out on the court as the season progressed. That, in itself, is a terrible methodology of coaching, and with the addition of guys like Ty, and injuries to our 4s, we were being set up for failure.

James should shoulder a great deal of the blame, as our number one option. He has lost a step, but I don't see it from an athletic viewpoint. He has regressed psychologically as a leader, as well as a competitor. Any one of us can see that he hasn't quite reached the "Killer" identity that he played with last year. The problem with that is our supporting cast, like Pat, Corey, Ty and TJ, have played well-below expectations. The margin for error is very small now, and we're reaching the point of fighting just to make the playoffs.

It may seem like we're only a few games back of being decent in the standings, but as of now, nobody fears playing us. We are predictable and don't have the same perseverance as before, when we start losing in the third and fourth quarter. It's been years since I've seen a Rockets team throw in the towel when the going gets tough.

Last night, when the Rockets got down by 8 early in the third, the amount of disgruntled, defeated faces was shocking. In the past, our guys would have found some resolve and would have recognized that a 10-15 point deficit is nothing. Basketball is a game of runs. It's easy to come back from a double-digit deficit, but only if a team has a strong level of trust and investment to winning. Moreover, a team can come back against any team, but only if the communication among players has positive intent and each individual player takes accountability on defense and playing just as hard as the next guy.

Admittedly, I am a huge fan of Trevor Ariza, but even from an objective standpoint, Trev, Marcus and a recovering DMo were playing "harder" (yuck, McHale word) than everyone last night. Even Dwight was lazy when it came to protecting the rim from the weak side, and he was outplayed by a surprisingly-efficient Joffrey Lauvergne. That just can't happen. Period. Dwight is our second best defender, and arguably, our only threat in the paint. His effort last night was mediocre and uninspiring.

Yes, I know there is a flu-bug in the locker room, and James wasn't feeling great. However, when you are a team's number one guy, and when you proclaim yourself as the best player in the NBA, you go out there and compete, regardless of your body. Some of it is mind over matter, and as I mentioned, James' mind does not appear to be as strong as last season. And no, it has absolutely nothing to do with Khloe Kardashian. It has everything to do with self-motivation, and on the flip, the relationship he has with his teammates. Something is not there, and his loyalty doesn't seem to be cohesive towards the team, but instead, his close buddies on the team. You can guess who that is....Dwight is guilty of this too, but it seems to be a bit more civil and subtle.

I don't know if it was shown on Htown tv, but I was pretty disgusted with Dwight's antics with "Rocky," the Nuggets' mascot, during the end of time-outs in the second half. Dwight was playing around with him, pretending to fight him, much like our beloved Chuck used to do back in the day. They had epic "battles." However, our team wasn't playing well, nor was Dwight on an individual level, so in my mind there was absolutely no reason to be smiling and talking to the crowd, along with beating on a mascot. I wish he would save that type of stuff for when he's on the bench, and our team has a comfortable 20-point lead.

That's just where our guys are at right now: still disconnect and unfocused. It's not nearly as bad as before, like last time Kevin walked off the court before the end of regulation and looked like the most pathetic coach in the league. However, it's still not a good look for a team that's struggling to find its way and having a hell of a time playing together.

J.B. is doing a great job, and his passion to win and be competitive is incredibly evident. His timeouts were excellent last night, but no matter how good a coach is, and no matter how intelligent his methods are, he has only concentrated, specific control on the outcome. If his "leaders" aren't playing to their abilities, salaries and expectations, there's very little he can do. J.B. is an inspiring voice...that's for sure.

The issue is that our guys are going through the motions, playing to the beat of their own drum. That doesn't lend itself to being a well-oiled machine in the basketball world.

I hope what I've heard is correct and that DM is sending for help.

We need new blood, energy and a breath of fresh air. This team is running on fumes.
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This makes me so sad and confirms what most of us long time fans can see on the TV.

And it is also what was reported in the off season that James and Dwight don't really get along.

Fricken egos..

DD

True Rocket · Dec 15, 2015

RasaqBoi said: ↑

Hardens clique is Jones. Lawson. Beverley. He hangs out with them in the clubs.
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Dwight once said KJ is his fav teammate

rocketsballin · Dec 15, 2015

rockets13champs said: ↑

Ty needs to play more balanced. If ur open shoot the ball
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but he cant shoot wide open threes cuz the boogie monster's coming to get him when he's wide open.
dwight already told ty that he will protect him but ty insists on fighting this one alone. he has to do it for all his lost dolls the boogie man stole from his heart!

rockets13champs · Dec 15, 2015

thing is dwight is an energetic fun loving guy, harden is a star who loves the limelight and clubbing

djperm · Dec 15, 2015

I'd like to thank Codman & other CF members with their first hand observations behind the Rox bench for keeping us aware.

Os Trigonum · Dec 15, 2015

all this talk from Codman, DD, and others about factions, cliques, and personalities IS sad . . . honestly I miss that Rockets team from a couple of years ago, with Harden, Asik, Parsons, and yes, even Lin . That team HAD chemistry and for me at least was really fun to watch.

Really, really hard for me to imagine James being part of anything even remotely resembling this anymore. Almost like it would be beneath him now--and that's also kind of sad.

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