Muslims...tell me something nice about your religion

tell me about Wahhabism and how bad is it

 

It's not okay. That's a cultural thing, you dummie.

It was okay for Italians to marry 13 and 14 year old girls in the 20th century.

 

But we're not in the 20th century.

We're in 2015.

This is a common theme we see amongst the 5th ocean Muslims have created with a sea of excuses.

Well, Christians persecuted a lot of people in the 15th century.

Well, Hitler didn't like Jews and Jews were like muslims without the bombing and violence and ideological shortcomings and hate for women.

Well, my religion is for me to understand and you have no right asking me about it, even if it is the sole link between a hundred attacks against the West.

Well, my parents are related and I turned out fine.

It's 2015. Put your foot forward and acknowledge basic issues with Islam, or accept the stereotype when half your disciples get frustrated .. and a few end up strapping a bomb to their chest.

 

Sorry, I usually like your posts, but this is just plain stupid.

Not only that, but it's a huge leap of logic.

The two statements you made both have little value. On one hand you claim that "not a single good has come from any religion that would/could not have come from mankind alone regardless."

You provide no reasoning behind why you feel that those things would come from mankind regardless.

Then on the other hand you claim "many atrocities however have come from mankind in the name of god/religion that would not have come without"

You provide no reasoning behind why you feel that those thing would not come from mankind regardless.

That's fine if that's your opinion. It's not provable. Furthermore, it does not follow a consistent line of logic. If you're going to say the "good" things about religion would have happened regardless, it's intellectually dishonest to then claim that the "bad" things about religion would not have happened regardless. I'd maybe be inclined to have a little more belief in what you're saying if you provided a solid argument for it, but you did not.

 

You are right. I stand corrected and apologize for my comments.

And you're right, ATW. I fell for that and made an idiot out of myself. I tend to do that here and there. Next time, I'll think before I rush to judgment. I'm going to cop out and blame my anger on the Rockets season.

 

Aren't hookahs great!

 

Oh, I still go to church, believe me- Holy Spirit Catholic Church in Lubbock. Had to go to Catholic school, as well, for 8 years. Doesn't make me any more knowledgeable about Catholicism and Christianity, but I did have to study it quite a bit, so some things stick with you. I have some problems with the Catholic Church, but I do not have a problem with the way it is practiced by what I hope is a majority of Catholics. Anyway, I did not mean to offend, but I am sorry if I did.

 

It's cool though

You get to marry your own cousin sister and later her brother too and down the line you can marry your other cousin's daughter

That's something nice

 

Well, it's just personal for me- two of my best friends are Muslim in Houston and they've been dealing with a bit of harassment, and it angers me b/c these are two of the nicest guys you could meet, and they've had to apologize for Islam multiple times. I guess they could be forced to convert from Islam, but then I guess freedom of religion in this country wouldn't really be freedom of religion. Anyway, that's where my comments came from. I think there's too much anger and hatred out there today, and I'm not doing any good adding to it. Better to let people have their say, listen to all sides (even to- gulp- Trump), respect people's right to say what they want, but if you feel strongly about it, speak up. Just not in the immature way I did, but like the way the other posters in this thread did.

 

Again, this means nothing. Your emotional bias and poor understanding of the bigger picture clouds your judgment.

Some of the nicest people in the world join cults and commit atrocities. There will always be people in this world - nice, mean, hot, not - but the ideologies they use to get through life mixed with the people they surround themselves with are what sway them the most. Not you, bringing over a cupcake as a welcome present.

 

I've scanned the thread and I'm going to try and stay on the OP topic and the questions that he specifically asked. There has been a bunch of negative critical off-topic posts about Islam in this thread (not surprised) when the OP asked for positive aspects and answers to his questions. I rarely come into the D&D anyway because it's usually Muslim Bashathon central and I'd rather spend my time squawking about the Houston Rockets rather than debate and defend my religion to fellow Rocket fans--who I don't even need to remind, it's because of a phenomenal basketball player who was also a practicing Muslim that we even have any Championships.

That being said, there are many positive aspects to the religion, personally speaking. A lot of what is seen negatively in the media are actions of people who muddy the religion with their own culture and put their own family/regional traditional values and mix it up. That's why it's important to separate the doer from the doctrine. If a person puts their own little personal spin on things, their own prejudices, opinions, their family traditions, their regional culture and values and priorities and tacks that onto their religious preference and calls it Islam, then that just screws things up for everybody.

(IE: The Qur'an says to not kill innocent people. A "follower" of Islam kills an innocent person for whatever stupid reason. One must separate that person who went against what scripture said from the religion that said not to do exactly that)

Moving on to the questions the OP asked:

What's its view on meaning of life?

Islam IS the belief that there is one all-powerful Master and Creator of the universe and all of creation, Allah (literally in Arabic "THE God"). Allah and God mean the exact same thing. God the Father in Christianity is Allah, Jehovah is Allah, Yahweh in Judaism is Allah. In contrast, the man known as Jesus is not Allah/God but a revered and famous servant and Prophet of God. These are just different names describing the same being.

The reason we were created was to worship Him. Worship does not mean just ritual worship, but worship through our actions, character, lifestyle, interactions and daily decision making reflecting how God wants us to behave and act in this world. All humankind is being tested and will be judged on account of their decision-making, actions, character and deeds. The one who best lives in accordance to God's preferred way of living and behaving, will be rewarded, the ones that deviates from God's preferred way of conducting themselves will be punished. With that being said, God is a merciful, compassionate and forgiving being and can pardon many and even all of owns poor choices, sins, mistakes, bad conduct if one humbly repents, regrets and reforms themselves and makes the proper amends during their lifespan.

The above purpose of our creation is cited through scripture--The Qur'an. Over the span of time, God has laid out what he wants out of mankind and what the conditions and do's and don'ts are through communication to chosen Prophets and Messengers and literature passed down orally or through revelation which was then subsequently put into writing. The Bible and the Torah in their original forms contained Gods word to Mankind to be used as a Guide or Instructional booklet for Mankind to use. Prophets and Messengers were physical demonstrators of the book, the "Book in action", serving as visual aids to what God wants out of mankind. The last and complete message and guide to Mankind is the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad was the final assigned messenger that was the "Qur'an in action" demonstrating and exemplifying how to live the words of the Qur'an practically in everyday life.

What's its view on the afterlife (other than 72 virgins)? How does one attain salvation?

This life is viewed as a testing period for humankind and the next life is the results and review period and the subsequent reward/loss of the test-takers. It is part of Muslim belief, just like Christianity, that there is an afterlife where all of humanity will be raised back up and will have to stand before God to have our lives examined to see how we conducted them, the decisions and choices we've made and the actions we've took. This event is known as the Day of Judgment. As stated in the first question, those who best conducted their lives in accordance to what is pleasing to God (exhibiting compassion and kindness to their fellow man, justice, integrity, honesty, patience and composure in times of hardship, self-restraint from evils and unlawful behavior etc.) would be rewarded with paradise and ease while those who conducted life contrary to Gods preferred way of living life (dishonesty, oppression, creating mischief and animosity, partaking in debauchery, blatant disregard of God, self-seeking motives, violating law and human rights etc) will be justly punished with eternal hellfire. Everyone human being will get exactly what they deserve based on their actions and choices they made. No one will be screwed over or done wrong. It is believed that God will be fair and just to the utmost.

Interestingly enough, you don't even necessarily have to be Muslim to be rewarded paradise as it says in the Qur'an:

"Surely, those who have believe in the Qur'an (the Muslims), and the Jews, the Christians and the Sabians--anyone who believes in God and the Day of Judgment and strives to do good will receive their reward from the Lord and shall have nothing to fear or regret"

So basically you can follow whatever religion you want--as long as you believe their is a God who created all of mankind and you live your life in line with the values and conduct which please him (integrity, care and love for your fellow man, helping the downtrodden, the needy the oppressed, doing the right thing to sum it up and avoiding evil traits and actions) you will be deservedly rewarded.

The 72 virgins bullcrap is a myth and there is nothing in Qur'anic scripture that talks about that.

With those questions answered there are a ton of great qualities that Islam promotes and encourages. Feeding the needy/poor/destitute, helping those who are in oppression, encouraging spirituality and having a positive outlook in life, brotherhood and sisterhood not just with Muslims but ALL of humanity, treating your neighbors kindly, being hospitable to strangers, to be calm and composed during times of hardship or anger, treating all humankind no matter what race, religion, social status equally with compassion and respect, treating women properly and with honor and respect, having a forgiving nature, living in harmony with all. These are just off the top of my head and with limited time.

So I hope whoever reads this can get a little knowledge of benefit. This was no copy-paste, this was straight from a Muslim who isn't perfect by any means, but is just trying day by day to do the best I can and to be better tomorrow. Peace.

 

Listen, I'll be nice to the others, but if there's anyone who has an extremely limited understanding of the big picture, you're the poster child.

 

isaiah thomas has been terrible down the stretch

 

Why do you hate Muslims so much?

 

I like how you purposely say Muslim instead of Islam to make out to be a bigot.

 

you don't help your cause or get to be self righteous and call someone an apologist when they show you that you have been duped by posting misinformation as propaganda, regardless of the truth.

 

on topic: on the use and misuse of Allahu Akbar- LA Times December 1st

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I'm not a Muslim, but I am related to quite a few. One thing I can tell you about the religion that true Muslims strive to live the life of their prophet Muhammed. Muhammed life is considered the blue print. They believe that the prophet Jesus will return for them eventually. There are 5 basic pillars of the Islamic belief, among them charity and a Haji if necessary. Haji meaning a trip to the holy land.

 

Yea , that seems to be the problem

 

I'm not a Muslim but I've admired Islamic architecture and their artistic tradition. The Blue Mosque in Istanbul, the Alhambra and the Grand Mosque in Cordoba are some of the greatest pieces of architecture history. Islam has also made great contributions to art and science and the Medieval Islamic empires helped to preserve knowledge from Rome and the classical periods that could've been lost in Dark Ages Europe. One of the tragedies of what is going on now is how groups like DAESH have such a narrow and anti-historical vision that they are denying and destroying even the achievements of Islamic history.