People who are actually Libertarian vote that way. You do remember it was you who changed the topic, right? Yes, I'll blame the people who were at fault. You're welcome to solely blame the black guy, but you should realize that is simply dishonest. Wow, you actually posted a fact, kudos. No, it is the job of the executive to faithfully execute the laws. It takes two parties to compromise and only one was willing, Obama. Yes, but when the opposition run Congress absolutely refuses to work with the president, the blame for that failure belongs with Congress. I suppose it depends on your definition of the word "failed." Despite unprecedented opposition (to the point that you are unable to cite a single example of the GOP being willing to compromise), Obama passed landmark healthcare legislation, a stimulus that slowed the economic bloodletting he inherited, and Wall Street reforms, all without any cooperation or compromise by Republicans. He did this despite only having six weeks with a filibuster proof majority and then did a great many other things by executive action once the Republican Congress definitively proved that they wouldn't agree to work with him on anything. Obama is hardly an "ideologue," he has been slightly right of center on nearly everything. Obama has been polarizing, but not as a result of his policy goals, there is something else at play that made the GOP completely refuse to work with him. This was certainly your claim, a dishonest and inaccurate one, as established above.
The difference between the Clinton era and the Obama era was that at the end of the day representatives from both sides of The House and Senate could talk privately about issues and develop compromises that were the middle of the road, Gingrich and Clinton even met together often. There was no Grover Norquist or Karl Rove demanding a lock-step conformation from every party member, threatening independent thinkers with well funded opposition in their primaries. The GOP transitioned from what we have always thought of as a political party to something more like a totalitarian party where no dissention is allowed, no compromise is considered and the demands of the party exceed the needs of the nation. It's different now and that's how we got the to insanity we are seeing from the 2016 GOP candidates. Every one of the 12 GOP candidates would have been laughed off the stage in the 90's. Hell Ross Perot was reserved and statesman-like compared to these guy and gals.
Yeah...see you say things like this and it makes me seriously doubt that you are a Libertarian to begin with. You vote for people that best represent your ideals, not just in lock-step with a party....again that's some Republican and Democrat BS....I'm guessing you are secretly one of them. Obama's failures as president have nothing to do with the fact that he's black, they are due to him failing to be an effective president. Their "refusal" to work with him has to do with him not being willing to make legitimate concessions in compromise. Telling someone that you'll let them have a part in doing things your way isn't compromise and that's all he's ever offered. And that is 100% proof that if you aren't a Democrat, it's only because the party isn't far enough left for your taste. Thinking that Obama is right of center is just laughably delusional. I mean, he might be right of center if this was Germany....but you do realize we're talking about America, right?
Pre-biased opinion and wrong. List how the President failed but please do not include inability to work with Congress, because they never wanted anything but obstruction, or sending back combat troops to Iraq despite the standing agreements, to waste another trillion dollars because you are wrong about those too. Did he commit gaffes? yes he wore a brown suit. Did he mismanage any military engagements, like let them get out of hand? Did he propose any legislation that had negative effects for the people, like discriminatory practices? Did he offend any class of people? Did he get a blowob? Did the economy get worse because of him? Did our environment get worse? I just don't see a failure there.
It's a word I made up for Bobby where he starts with an assumption he wants to be true and contorts a reasoning to support it. (ha)
There was a thread on Obama presidency soon after the supreme Court case to legalize gay marriage. He has accomplished much and history will likely be good to him. In a way quite amazing given the obstructions.
Well he hasn't really accomplished anything positive, but he's taken credit for a lot that he didn't actually do and for sure history will be good to him despite the fact that there's not much reason to be. His flaws will be overlooked and I'm sure they'll talk up anything that happened during his presidency as an accomplishment no matter how little he had to do with it. Hell he won a Nobel Peace Prize simply for being elected president as a black man.
You keep saying flaws and failures but you don't discuss them, other than not capitulating to an incursion of gerrymandered and bought regressive buffoons or reducing participation in a quagmire of US death and waste. I believe that is exactly what the people that elected him wanted him to do so , you know , that would be defined as success. Why the hate?
You're the one being dishonest in this thread, are your accusations just a distraction from the fact that you can't find a single example of Republican compromise? That's my guess. When one party best represents your ideals and two others do not, then you typically vote with the party with which you identify. I don't choose the "All Libertarians" button, but in every race where there is a Libertarian running, I vote for them. For races where there are no Libertarians, I vote for the Democrat sometimes and the Republican sometimes. Of course, all of this is a distraction from the fact that you can't find an example of Republicans compromising with Obama. You're the one being dishonest in this thread, your guess is as far off base as if you were at the Toyota Center, but aiming for a base at Minute Maid. I agree, the places where he has failed have nothing to do with his race whatsoever. However, failure to compromise isn't among those flaws. Bull****. When conservative Democrats wanted abortion restrictions in the ACA and couldn't get them past Congress, Obama wrote an executive order. If you don't think that abortion restrictions represent a "legitimate concession" from a Democrat, then you're just delusional. You're projecting. That's all the GOP has ever offered. Still, after repeated requests, you can't come up with any examples of GOP compromise while I have discussed several Obama compromises. No, it is 100% proof that I have the ability to rationally assess the political leanings of our chief executive. I didn't make a single comment about how far left or right I would prefer (for the record, I prefer further left on some issues and further right on others), you made an assumption and are now taking it as "100% proof" that I am a "secret Democrat." Your assumptions are both wrong and are a distraction from the fact that you haven't been able to come up with one example of GOP compromise. Perhaps to someone who lives in the Fox echo chamber. When putting together the PPACA, single payer was never even considered and even a government option was removed from the bill relatively early in the negotiation process. That is an example of the fact that Obama has governed as a right of center moderate who took the Heritage Foundation's healthcare proposal and packaged it up as the ACA. You're wrong and continuing to distract from your failure to find an example of GOP compromise.
LOL, that Nobel Peace Prize was a joke. The rest of what you stated is also pretty much a joke. It's your intentional bias opinion and historian will make much better informed judgement on how Obama has been. Given the opposite and what he have done, I think they will judge him very well. Just refer and bump that thread if you want to debate his accomplishments.
