Yes, I actually said they wanted Seager and Urias in my post in the wrong thread. Two things here: just because they asked for it, doesn't mean they'll get it. And the hypothetical offer has an All-Star, Silver Slugger and Gold Glove winner middler infielder in Jose Altuve. And he's extended on a very team-friendly deal. I don't think it's unreasonable or laughable to say that Altuve has at least as much, if not more trade value than Corey Seager, who probably has a higher ceiling, but much more risky. And although Appel is not near the pitching prospect that Urias is, he's not chopped liver, and that is why we'd also include Singleton, to offset that difference in talent levels. They may want more, but I still think it's a solid foundation to start with. I don't think they would "laugh at that package."
Didn't they give us Marisnick? And Moran? and Martes? I guess they would take Martes back... but doubtful Marisnick/Moran has raised their stock significantly enough since being jettisoned by them.
I didn't say they would get it. But they are also not really looking to move Fernandez unless they're blown away. Seager is likely going to be a top 5 SS barring injury. I don't think you could sell them on Altuve over Seager even if he has more value right now. Urias is a top 10 prospect, though nothing is guaranteed, he is supposed to have ace level stuff. Nothing against Appel, he was deemed the very same thing before he was drafted, but he doesn't hold enough value to add just Singleton to make it offset. All the reported leaks say they are looking for a tremendous package, you'd have to start with a higher foundation than what you posted because that is not a tremendous package to begin with.
No, it isn't meaningless. Boras dictated limits on the innings for Stephen Strasburg, Matt Harvey and others. There are also articles on it...... stating that Fernandez will be on an inning limit in 2016... like he has been in the past. The Marlins have recently met with Boras, his doctors and discussed what his work load will be in 2016.
But its Drellich's "source", correct? I agree that the Astros are a convenient mystery team for most of these leaks...simply because they have the magic combination of being a team in win-now mode, with prospects, and mucho payroll flexibility. They'll basically have their names floated with any potential deal within reason... and most of the time, they're not the ones leaking their involvement.
I think the Marlins would say yes if the Astros offered Altuve, Springer and McCullers. It may ultimately take less - but the Marlins would be foolish to not set the bar that high.
A related but separate question for everyone. If we're SO high on Reed that we're unwilling to include him in a deal for a guy like this (that's bringing up Altuve, Bregman as part of a massive package, etc.)...then why are we also simultaneously concerned about a FA 1B like Chris Davis or a trade for Lind? Reed is ready to come up, and the team is ready to compete. Either we should be willing to move Reed for a stud (Jose) and replace him...or we should be happy with Reed and stop worrying about the Davises and Linds
Fair enough. This is all hypotheticals and mere conjecture anyway. I'll respect your opinion, I simply disagree with it, as I think this at least piques their interest.
I should add, I think VV will likely exceed a lot of expectations so I am probably way over estimating what others expect he's worth.
How'd that work with Harvey (who presumingly exceeded any suggested innings limits with his post-season and world series games)? Hell, how'd it work with Strasburg... who didn't re-injure anything, but has lost a step in terms of earning potential/dominance. I can tell you that there is very little evidence-based data on innings limits post TJ surgery and their overall impact in preventing future injury, improving future performance, and getting the agents another mega-contract to earn from. It will be anecdotal... and like Hey Now said, agents probably don't know enough about this to have the final say.
The bulk of that 300MM is going to be passed on to another team by 2018. The Marlins don't keep players. They are in perpetual rebuilding mode. Maybe make it VV and Feliz instead of or. Either way, I still say there's no chance Springer or Altuve are included, no matter how good of a case you can make for trading either. Ripping fan favorites/faces of the franchise out of the lineup this early in our run of success just isn't something I see the FO even entertaining the thought of. And trading Altuve this offseason and leaving a gaping hole at the top of an already shaky lineup doesn't make much sense from a baseball standpoint either.
Yes, it is. He didn't dictate anything. And, further, both Strasburg and Harvey conversations occurred during their initial returns. Fernandez pitched last year and May will mark two years since the surgery; it's not apples-to-apples. Again, Boras can discuss it all he wants, he has no ultimate say. And whatever might have been decided by the Marlins doesn't necessarily hold any weight with the Astros. They'll let their own personnel make the evaluation of any limits for Fernandez.
I am saying that Drellich's "source" could be within the organization and that they are using him as a mouthpiece to spew BS.
You can really like a prospect and still know that there are no guarantees. Also, I think that the Astros believe they can shift one of them to the DH position.
On Davis, he or Reed could easily play DH. I don't see the point in in Lind as I expect someone internal will be near his production. I don't think Davis is a big time option for Astros.
Then, frankly, I'd prefer the Astros pursue him... It remains a fairly "meh" package. I would wager, while the FO *may* value it... they likely don't value it as much as you think they do. And they'd be fools to let it impact baseball decisions. Springer is a better long-term answer at the top of the line-up than Altuve is, frankly. And they have potential Altuve replacements on the farm - Kemp and, longer-term, Bregman. It's a risk - but Jose Fernandez is a 23-year old ace under club control... this is a Haley's Comet-level opportunity. If you don't make yourself bleed, it's likely not a worthy offer.
