The new GM will have great tools to work it, very fortunate. All due to hinkie. The ultimate way to tank is the celtics. Compete, get a farm system, snd let some other **** team do the losing for you.
Indeed, when you take over a dumpster fire, it's easy to look good. Hinkie was in over his head. Running an NBA franchise is more than just trying to increase the odds of drafting a franchise player. Culture, human beings and relationships are involved. Up close, I've seen arrogant people who have no self-awareness fail miserably. Smart people who consider themelves geniuses are dangerous when given full authority over something important.
I think it'd be best to groom him, not fire him. Let him learn through this, cause he really is smart. And this should humble him.
Hinkie is not the one who invented "tanking". Nor is he the one to first realise that the lottery is the best way to acquire franchise players. BUT he is the first GM who was given the freedom to do it for so many years to such an extent. Even with the owner's green light (the owner is as much responsible for this mess as Hinkie), he has made mistakes. Mistakes as : Straight up lying to agents and go a few hours later and waive players. (i.e Gutierez) Not holding accountable the high draft picked players and allowing bad behaviour without immediate reprecursions (i.e Embiid, and now Okafor). Kj trade. 2015 second round draft picks. Drafting Saric/ Payton trade. Completely shutting down the local press and disregard for any kind of PR (very important for any GM). Not resigning/paying Ish Smith who last year had great chemistry with Noel and allowed him to grow a little offensively. Why? Because he was not willing to give him a normal contract. (~ 3million per!). Not signing any good HEALTHY point guards who for young developing Centers is vital. (Marshall hasn't been on the court yet, comes from an ACL, and I seriously doubt he will be left with NBA athleticism because he barely had enough before his injury). And most of all imo not realising what should have been obvious to everyone. That Okafor and Noel can't coexist in the court. And that it will negatively affect both players value and development. In case you are not aware the losses are just the cherry on top of what is currently going on in Philly. Noel has seriously regressed. SERIOUSLY. From franchise caliber center that he looked like last year, now he seems like a BAD garbage man who can't even defend well. Okafor and Noel when both on the court are -26. Mindblowing. Now Noel has been benched because it's obvious they can't play together. Most philly fans, are convinced that Okafor is acting up on purpose to demand a trade away from Philly. Everyone on the court, in contrast with the first games of the season, looks disinterested and like not want to be there. Their coach has publicly said how dissapointed he is and he has made some very dubious last minutes rotations in more than 5 games.( so dubious that are suspicious because he is not a horrible coach). They will have so much capspace but where they can spend it on? Max players fa or rfa will not even listen to their pitch. The FA class is horrible in the first place, and if they want to get any respectable player they will have to severely overpay to beat the competition. We all saw what happened with Sacramento this summer when players prefered a little LESS money than to go play there. Well...Sacramento compared to what has become to the 76ers franchise is heaven. Colangelo will have to work for years to start repairing this situation. Even if they offer max money I don't see them able to get any "realistic" target like Batum, Barnes , Fournier or Clarkson. Simply because even with max money those players in teh current market will be able to get comparable offers by teams. So we are back to third tier category FAs that WILL have to be severely overpaid to go sign there. And this all is due to Hinkie's plan. Small markets still have to overpay to get FA but not to the extent that Philly will have to. Thank the cap rise for that.
Not at all. This is wishful thinking. In situations like these you have to get rid of the person because the team needs a clean break to go another direction. Hinkie needs a fresh start somewhere else to establish credibility, though he'll probably never be a GM again (at least soon). The Sixers are playing nice by not cutting him loose immediately. I don't know why you sympathize with him so much. He's no different than others who get high profile positions and fail. That's just the way it is. If Hinkie's head is screwed on right, he'll be fine and will move on to another career path with another organization. Perhaps outside the NBA.
Yeah well for starters it looks like you didn't pay attention to the post that I quoted, since that post had teams with high draft picks that includes players that were and weren't drafted by that team.
I like what Hinkie has been doing. If the Rockets weren't able to trade for James Harden (btw, this trade alone should secure DM's job for life), we'd be that middling team right now that can't win well enough to go anywhere, and can't lose well enough to gain talent. Unless you can swing a trade for a major superstar (if you know of one let Daryl know), then you just get stuck, because without James there is no Dwight. I don't care that the suns have won more games the last couple of years. Their playoff record is the same as the Sixers, but it's easier to stomach. They have been pretty unlucky with injuries and players falling in strange places in the draft. If they were able to nab a rising wing player in this draft, it would change that team. Add in a healthy Embid, that team is suddenly stacked with young stars. I have no problem with what he is doing. The owner knew what he was doing, but he's run out of patience, and that's the game they've chosen to play. Given enough time, the Sixers would/will have a GREAT team of young stars.
Now Colangelo is going to get all the credit for the work that Hinkie put in to get all those assets, and players with potential. Now just a year away from the big cash in (4 first rounders, Saric, cap space, a seasoned Okafor/Noel, etc.) they want to NOW give over say-so to a NBA lifer guy who is "in the club" and will be viewed as the savior??? What will make it worse is if Colangelo goes crazy at the trade deadline and cashes in those picks to get veteran players who do nothing but help them win games now just to look better on paper. Hopefully they just brought in Colangelo as a recruiter now that they are looking at free agency next year, but I doubt it. This was the NBA likely having a heavy hand in taking over leadership because they were tired of the Sixers taking advantage of the system, and making them look bad. You want to change your brand, change the draft. They had the chance at one of the last owners meetings, but the owners chickened out at the last minute because they realized that its a strategy that they might have to use one day themselves to some degree.... its a shame that Hinkie is being made an example of, and he's going to get no credit for whatever Colangelo does get.
Hinkie made great investments to accumulate those cash(picks), and they brought in a new guy to spend the money?
I don't mind what Hinkie was been doing, but I'm starting to be concerned with Hinkie's drafting prowess. Having a whole bunch of draft picks is one thing, but making the right picks is also a necessary part of that equation. In fairness, they targeted D'Angelo Russell and Andrew Wiggins, but both were gone when they drafted due to bad luck in the lottery and other teams picking higher. However, it's super weird to me they didn't draft Porzingis. I thought the whole point was to draft high so you get at least one guy that could turn into a superstar. Porzingis fits the bill much better than Okafor, whose ceiling will always be hampered by his athleticism. Even more alarming, out of the million of second round picks he's made, Hinkie has come up with...Jerami Grant and KJ McDaniels? It's clear to me that Morey, not Hinkie has been behind our sneaky good second round selections, because so far Hinkie's track record on his own is mediocre. Once again, the whole idea was to find the next Patrick Beverley or Danny Green, and be able to lock him to a team friendly contract. With a few guys like that, budding superstars on rookie deals and/or max extensions, and then sign a star and a few veterans to put you over the top, that sounds like a good plan! The foundation just isn't there. Unless Joel Embiid turns it all around or Sixers finally get lucky in the following draft, they just don't have anyone who could turn into a huge talent on their roster. It's not the tanking that has done them in, it's the drafting.
you don't bring in a guy like Jerry if you are happy with your current management. The writing is on the wall. Bring Hinkie back home!!!!!!!!!
Hinkie made some mistakes but he was a good hire. The injury to embid was a killer and their tank strategy hasn't gone as planned, but i still think accumulating young assets and picks, and building through the draft is the most effective way to turn a team around. Of course, having franchise changing world beaters like Irving, Bron, and Durant in your draft helps; Philly hasn't had that kind of luck.
I think he's a year behind schedule and that's because of bad luck with Noel and Embiid. They should stick the course but I feel like Jerry Colangelo will help them build a winning organizational culture. I don't think they'll fire Hinkie during the season. They'll see how this looks after 82 games maybe even Embiid gets 10-15 games in.
Love what Hinkie is doing. I'll take that 10 times out of 10 over what LAL, Mil, NY, Sac, Min, have done over their time at the bottom.
Saric is coming over next season, and the Sixers will likely draft high in the draft and can get a legit playmaker (Simmons, Dunn?) I think starting next season, they'll be starting to climb out.
Hinkie is definitely not the worst GM in the league. But, I think what this exposes is that tanking is far from a surefire way to gain talent. Why? The lottery system ensures that you never have more than a 25% chance of getting the top pick. When most drafts have only one or two franchise caliber players, that means that if you're not top two or three, you're not likely to hit a home run. Without a franchise caliber player, it's hard to structure a supporting cast. With constant turnover trying to hit that home run, it's impossible to build chemistry and you undermine the coach. Compare Hinkie's arbitrage to Morey's. He's traded all kinds of talent away for a war chest of picks, but has failed to get even one franchise level talent. When given the opportunity to rise from the bottom of the barrel by trading picks and prospects for a proven star, he hasn't pulled the trigger. Embiid has serious health issues, Okafor has serious character issues, Noel can't seem to put it all together for whatever reason, there's been a rotating cast of point guards, there's no structure or accountability... The franchise needs direction. Hinkie is clearly a smart guy and there's nothing wrong with his strategy from a purely statistical standpoint. The lotto is still probably the best way to get talent. But how does one actually position themselves to build a culture of winning while being a lotto team? See Boston. They got a great coach, they also have a war chest of picks, they built a culture of winning even while losing (paradoxical but true), and now they are starting to reap some of those benefits. They still need a true star - but they have that unprotected Brooklyn pick and the Dallas picks, and they have some redundant talent to swing a big deal. I used to mock Ainge for some of his moves but he's a good example of someone who takes old school sensibility and combines it with analytics to provide direction and progress to a franchise. Morey has done that as well - his mistake was undervaluing coaching or overestimating McHale. But he's a top flight GM and has moved past the scorched earth tactics he used earlier to start to "reload." Hinkie never really moved past that philosophy and he's essentially stalled the growth of his franchise. It's bad for the league when one team is consistently awful. I don't think Colangelo is a great GM, but at least he provides some leadership. All that being said, Hinkie was a great right hand man for Morey, and I hope that he comes back!
