Yikes, these crazy Jones fans are ridiculous. I wonder if they'll move to the dish after he's traded/moves on in the offseason.
His reply when I made it a sig was also glorious. "Be sure to keep it there. Don't wimp out and change it when it looks like things are going my way during the season." Good ol' coachbadlee.
Ok. In that case, can you provide a link showing Jones' stats for boxing out, hustle, being in position, and defensive effort for last night?
Jones is a pretty solid offensive rebounder when he puts in the effort. He's not a good rebounder overall though and his boxing out is really bad. His biggest issue is his motor. If that were better he could contribute well in some areas. Basically if he gave as much effort every night as he has the past few games, he'd be a pretty good asset in most situations.
LOL. If I can't give you a link, they don't exist? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Can you give me a link for the home addresses of the leaders of the American Communist Party? No, you can't, but I guarantee you the CIA has that info. Dorell Maori has a buttload of stats about the performance of Rockets players that you will never see published on any website. And trust me, they're not the simple stats that anyone could derive by watching a game. They've poured resources into developing stat-tracking technology that you can't even fathom, including (but not limited to) someone's stats for boxing out, hustle, being in position, and defensive effort for any particular game.
His effort was the reason he came off the bench his last season at Kentucky. Coach Cal alluded to this as much as saying he just didn't know what Jones was going to show up. The one who looks like the best player on the court or the guy who looks like a freshman in his first game. Talent has never been his problem he's just not a very focused or consistent player. Ultimately he's going to make a lot of money because off the bench, for as much flack he gets around here you can do much worse. He's a solid scoring big off the bench and that's a type of player every team wants to have in their rotation. Not to mention every 4 games he seems to have a Allstar type performance with 18+ points and 9+ rebounds with a few blocks.
I think I saw some stats that are able to capture to some degree boxing out. But hustle stats are still on experimental state. They started "counting" them in SL to see how it goes. I have NO idea if they are doing it in RS too but these are not available to my knowledge. If someone knows where they can be found please go ahead and share them by all means.
Thing is its the end result that matters, Jones simply has a clear advantage in career rebounding percentage. Whether or not if he box's out or if ones eye test see's him hustling on court means nothing when your statement is Motiejunas is a much better rebounder because no matter what either of them are doing Jones is again, clearly a better rebounder. Now if he's trying to argue that Jones let's his man get more offensive rebounds then Dmo then that's a whole other argument that in unrelated to who is a better rebounder. I'm not a crazy Jones fan, I'm just hate when our own fans unjustifiably hate on our own players, its nonsense.
I HATE that stupid power dribble he takes in the lane when our guards hit him with the perfect pass. GO UP WITH THE ****IN SHOT!
well now that I found last year stats it shows that DMO chases rebounds at a similar rate to the other pfs. BUT he wins them at a lower rate. (not significantly lower than the other pfs of last year). The difference is in Offensive rebounds. In Def rebounds he does like the others in Oreb he's a little better than a wing player.
I originally argued that stats for intangibles (hustle, boxing out, etc...) don't exist. Then you proceeded to ride in on your high horse proclaiming, "DON'T BE STUPID!!! THEY DO EXIST!!!! we just don't have access to them..." Would that be an accurate summary of our conversation?
That's a summary, and it's fairly accurate if you remove the quotation marks. I didn't imply that you were stupid, only that people who loudly claim that stats can't track things like hustle, positioning, etc. annoy me. Whether that's YOU or not, I'll let you decide. My point is that most people think of "advanced stats" in the NBA as meaning some of the following: PER, Offensive or Defensive Efficiency Win Shares, Adjusted Plus/Minus, Lineup Stats, True Shooting %, Points Per Possession, On/Off Splits, Rebound Rate, Shot Charts, etc. While Morey and company may use some of those for various reasons, I'm saying that they have the ability to drill way down deeper into the data and produce much more specific stats on the kinds of things most of us barely even notice when we're watching a game. The Rockets have a team of some of the strongest data analysts in the league, including Ed Kupfer, Eli Witus and Monte McNair, and Les Alexander gives them all the support they could possibly want. If anyone can nail down some "intangible" such as which Rockets hustle the most (D-Mo? Dwight?) versus merely APPEAR to be hustling (Bev? Brewer?) , it's these guys. "Hustle" is every bit as trackable as free-throw percentage. And no, we don't have access to that data and those algorithms. Morey is notoriously tight-lipped when discussing exactly what the team tracks, data-wise. Of course, taking that data and turning it into wins is Morey's and the coaching staff's job. And I seriously doubt they factored in the Kardashian Curse over the summer. <BR>
We'e playing the Kings at home. Kings are the 5th worse team in the league. Jones' matchup was Kostas Koufas. Gimme a break already. Terrence is who we thought he is. If you wanna crown him, crown him. But he is who we thought he is.
You'd factor in the kardashian curse the same way you'd factor in an alien planet killer, we be ****ed
Not only there are ways to measure hustle stats but they will become publicly available some time in the future. (maybe next season). And for that to happen it means with certainty that the teams' analysts offices already have them at their disposal for a long time. Because what we get in the public is like 5 years behind or more what the teams have.
Me personally, I like both Jones and DMo and hope both can continue to develop into top players WITH THE ROCKETS. Mentioned it elsewhere, but I wonder how much impact the injuries Jones has sustained has had on his performances. Look at DMo yesterday - great to have him back, but was obviously out of touch. Jones has had random injuries consistently the past few years. I'll reserve my judgement of Jones once he's played over half a season without time off for injuries.
