<BREAKING> Active Shooter in San Bernardino, California

While I'm for tighter gun control like closing the gun show purchase laws, but really what are you going to do in a case like this? Check here if you're Muslim? This guy would have passed even the tightest gun laws unless you want to go Trump on them.

 

If you want to shoot, then great. I'm all in favor of you buying a handgun. But as a liberal it doesn't piss me off at all. I own a handgun, I'm hoping to have saved enough to buy another one by the summer time. I just don't think pissing off a liberal is a reason to buy a handgun. Like I said, it probably won't piss off too many liberals, and that can be an expensive form of ineffective revenge.

If people are safe with their guns, then great. They are a great recreational tool.

 

I'm with you. I think we can close those purchase laws along with some of the internet things, and also have a background check which might include psychiatric background checks, I don't think gun control's prime target should be mass shootings.

I believe more gun violence comes from people accidentally shooting themselves or a loved one, crimes of passion, killing a spouse for insurance, suicides etc. all cause more deaths even if they aren't higher profile deaths.

 

WWJD? Buy a gun just to piss off his liberal neighbor of course!

 

Do I think it's likely that at least part of their motivation Islamist extremism? Yes, I do, but I don't want to jump to conclusions about it.

Thinking it is and acting as if it is certain are two different things. When it was initially reported there were three white suspects, that was reason enough to think it was likely that it might be some other sort of cause behind the violence. Yet anyone who jumped to that conclusion would have been wrong.

So based on the incomplete reporting, making assumptions about the case would be jumping to a conclusion.

Here's the thing about jumping to conclusions. Sometimes people jump to the correct conclusion. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to always jump to conclusions.

The recent history of this very case is evidence against the idea of jumping to conclusions.

 

These weapons and mags weren't bought legally in California.

California limits AR mags to 10 rounds and requires a bullet button that makes it more a lot more difficult to change the magazines on an AR15. So instead of 30 rounds and changing out mags in a split second to continue killing people the carnage would have been much less.

In addition to mental health checks and background checks on any gun sale or transfer, requiring some kind of training and safety courses would probably have exposed this guy's attitude. When someone is acting weird with a weapon in your class, you pick up on it pretty quickly.

Unfortunately, a lot of gun control advocates in the legislature have tried to ban scary black guns rather than doing things like limiting the mag sizes and requiring bullet buttons, requiring training and safety courses. These types of measures will still be fought to death by the NRA but they're very simple, effective things to reduce gun violence and in particular these mass shootings.

 

Can we get some common sense pipe bomb and IED regulations, while we're at it?

 

Only a good guy with a pipe bomb can stop a bad guy with a pipe bomb. Pipe bombs for errrreybody!

 

Nukes don't kill people, people kill people! (I'm talking to North Korea and Syria, not you.)

WMD's don't kill people; people kill people! (i'm talking to Saddam Hussein. Oops he's dead: what a boner!)

Heroin doesn't kill people; people kill people! Legalize heroin! (I have an excellent collection of heroins from around the world, which I show my guests when I entertain. The beauty of a pile of heroin is like . . . the beauty of a finely crafted pistol, if you know what I mean.)

 

Of no importance or relevance are both places' strict gun laws

 

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And how about consider not doing this (or at least have a system to track gun purchases from these suspected terrorists):

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Report suggest that NSA knew Farook was in touch with terrorists and that info might have been shared with the FBI. The FBI might not have put him on the terrorist watchlist. But even if they did, it wouldn't have stopped him from legally purchasing guns.

 

When you see aggregate stats and charts like that, I always wonder: how are they determining "gun ownership" in the US or anywhere else? How do they know how many people have how many guns? I'm genuinely curious.

 

You are being disingenuous or ignorant, and you are too smart for one of those.

 

yeah i don't think gun control is going to do a whole lot in this particular case.

In these cases the people responsible are as normal as you can get, no criminal record, no mental issues on record, not really on any terrorist watch list. How can you prevent these people from legally purchasing guns without profiling regular Muslims.

And if he was really deep into a terrorist organization, they'd have no problem getting weapons through any illegal means.

 

To say gun control would not have made a difference is curious at best. based on what?

In any case, given that the number of mass shooting in the U.S. each year now exceed the number of days in a year, I think we are going to start to see the banings of gun.

 

All our internet surveillance failed once again.

 

They were already using banned weapons...what were you going to do, double secret ban them next?

 

Guns/Weapons are not the issue. Crazies/Criminals will get them, make them, no way to stop it.

The problem is Salafism/Wahhabism followers/teachings in the US. Basically exactly like Christian Fundamentalist except they've toned it down while Salafist/Wahhabist are on a rampage right now.

Got to fight HATE with tougher HATE laws. How you do this without touching free speech is tricky but it needs to be done. The current Civil Rights Acts actually covers threats which could impact any type of fundamentalist hate preaching but enforcement is tricky and lacking.

Instead of federal/local level drug stings, I would use those resources to setup organized hate stings. Go after to the full extent of the law against any/all groups that promote hate ideology. Going after guns is a waste of time and hurting the wrong folks.

 

This.

Leftists are desperately trying to act as if this case was all about gun laws, when the real issue is the motivation of the murderers - they were following a hateful ideology called political Islam. By talking about gun laws in this particular case, they are just distracting from that fact, because admitting that political Islam is the actual problem here does not fit into their own ideological world view.