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[BREAKING] Shooting in San Bernardino, CA

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by vstexas09, Dec 2, 2015.

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  1. Nero

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    Do you?
     
  2. gifford1967

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    Do you think there are thousands of Syed Farooks?
     
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    both are stupid questions, and that's the point

    whether you think so or not is based on nothing but baseless assumptions
     
  4. Nero

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    I think there is only one of him. Just like there was only one McVeigh.

    however, if what you are really asking is, 'Do I believe that in a nation of over 350 million people, could there potentially be thousands of people who have been dangerously radicalized into the violent islamist movement, and who could *potentially* perpetrate similar acts?' Then the answer is yes. Do I think they will? No, and I certainly hope they don't.

    Do I believe there are also people who think similarly to McVeigh? Yes, and likewise do I hope they don't do the things he did.

    Do I believe those two examples to be equivalent? Not even close.

    Only a mental infant attempts to draw 'moral equivalence' in such cases. (such as the type of brain-dead person whose first response when hearing criticism of violent islamism is to bring up the 'Crusades', as though that somehow equates to, or nullifies the issue)

    The percentage of potentially dangerous islamists would be, in my opinion, orders of magnitude larger than the percentage of 'McVeigh-like' people.

    Therefore the question I posed to you: Do YOU believe there are thousands of 'McVeighs', equal to the number of 'Farooks'?
     
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    In the United States?
     
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    I think there are thousands of people in the United States with extreme right wing beliefs similar to McVeigh's. A very tiny percentage of those people would actually act on those beliefs.

    We don't yet know what motivated Farook, but for the sake of this conversation let's say it was radical Islam. I think there is a larger group in the US, with extreme Islamic beliefs similar to Farook's. However, this group is significantly smaller than the group with extreme right wing beliefs. And a very tiny percentage of those people would actually act on those beliefs.
     
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    I wonder how this couple have been "radicalized." Seems that giving birth to a baby 6 month before your planned mass shooting terror attack is not the kind of stuff that one should do.

    As for the holiday party being a "soft target" with which the husband has familiarity-- sure, but there are tons of other such soft targets out there. Cinema, school, mall (with all the holiday shoppers and all), etc.

    To pick one's workplace's party to attack means this guys at least puts no value on whatever personal relationship he had with people he had been acquainted with for 5 years. It probably means he has some extra bit of hatred toward them as well.
     
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    With the arsenal this couple had, officials are saying they think it is possible that this is not the only attack sight.

    Info has come out that he traveled to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan last year where he picked up his new wife.

    They are also saying the type of bomb rigging with pipe bombs attached to a remote control car is the signature of Inspire magazine the Al Qaeda linked magazine that helped teach the Boston Marathon bombs to make their IEDs.
     
  10. Rocket River

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    Just like One Dylann Roof . . . is one too many

    Rocket River
     
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    Has it been confirmed that this was ISIS related? I only ask because it is atypical for a Pakistani (or any other south Asian) to be associated with that group.

    Also while he may have met his wife in Saudi Arabia, neither are actually Arab.
     
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    This could have been prevented if people would let the NSA do their thing.
     
  13. bobmarley

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    When you have otherwise law abiding citizens that have an American passport who become radicalized it is much more difficult to establish who these people are.

    You really think this would have been prevented?
     
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    Unfortunately, hateful ideologies poison people regardless of their passport or skin color.
     
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    I agree but was commenting on why the NSA or FBI would have a hard time finding and preventing this incident.

    Apparently this guys name came up while they were investigating another lead and they didn't have any other info or info to go after this guy before he pulled the attack.

    It is also important to note that even though the IED triggering device setup is typically a calling card of AQ that ISIS has been ripping off many of their designs and spreading them with their network.

    I think a major part of this investigation will begin to center on the wife and her connections and role in the radicalization of Sayed.
     
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    The Boston bombers weren't Arab either. They were Chechens. I suspect that they could have just been likewise "inspired" to do this.
     
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    I'm interested in the brother-in-law, was he really at the party?

    Edit: no mention in any reports he was, so disregard. But is he the brother of the wife/ other suspect?
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;She just told me that she'd been shot.&quot;

    Tonight: <a href="https://twitter.com/LesterHoltNBC">@LesterHoltNBC</a> talks with mother of Calif. attack survivor. <a href="https://t.co/O48vsZToQ2">pic.twitter.com/O48vsZToQ2</a></p>&mdash; NBC Nightly News (@NBCNightlyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/672555324629508096">December 3, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Survivor Patrick Baccari, who knew the male gunman, describes the Calif. mass shooting attack.
    <a href="https://t.co/vCovgaDmc8">https://t.co/vCovgaDmc8</a></p>&mdash; NBC Nightly News (@NBCNightlyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/672551419350679553">December 3, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     

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