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The Case for Jeff Bagwell in the Hall of Fame

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  1. sugrlndkid

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    http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/12/01/jaws-2016-hall-of-fame-ballot-jeff-bagwell

    On the surface, Jeff Bagwell's case for Cooperstown is strong. An outstanding, durable slugger with power, patience and positive value on the base paths and in the field, he ranked not only as one of the best hitters of his era, but also as one of the best all-around first basemen since World War II. While shoulder woes cut his career short and left his key counting stats on the lower side relative to the era's other heavy hitters, his rate stats were phenomenal, particularly when one considers that he spent his prime toiling in the Astrodome, a notoriously difficult environment for hitters.

    Yet when Bagwell first became eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2011, he emerged as one of the ballot's most controversial candidates, his resumé overshadowed by a whisper campaign that alleged he had used illegal performance-enhancing drugs in his career. Never mind that he had never tested positive for a banned substance, nor had he been mentioned in the Mitchell Report; for some voters, mere suspicion that he had used was enough. Amid the debate, many a voter or interested bystander (this scribe included) failed to note that he had admitted to using androstenedione long before it was outlawed by Major League Baseball in mid-2004.
    Since receiving just 41.7% of the vote in that first go-round, Bagwell has gained significant support, though since reaching 59.6% in 2013, he’s lost a bit of ground, receiving 55.7% in the last voting cycle. Then again, he’s hardly been alone among the holdovers, as eight first-ballot candidates have gained entry in those two years. Bagwell’s candidacy isn't in bad shape; aside from Gil Hodges, Jack Morris and any candidates still on this ballot, every player named by a simple majority of BBWAA voters has eventually been elected, either via the writers or an iteration of the Veterans Committee. That said, the truncation of the eligibility period from 15 years to 10 means that he’s in the second half of his stay on the ballot. He’s unlikely to gain 20 percentage points this year, but he can put himself in position for a 2017 election.

    Though he was born in Boston and drafted by the Red Sox in the fourth round in 1989 out of the University of Hartford, Bagwell never played an inning for the Olde Towne team. Instead, he was traded to the Astros in a 1990 deal for reliever Larry Andersen that has since become a cautionary tale. Andersen gave Boston 22 brilliant stretch-drive innings (1.23 ERA, 1.2 WAR), but while the Sox would eventually come up with Mo Vaughn to occupy first base, their 86-year championship drought might have been shortened had general manager Lou Gorman not traded Bagwell. Talk about a ground ball through the legs.

    The 22-year-old Bagwell took up residence as Houston's first baseman on Opening Day 1991 and earned National League Rookie of the Year honors by hitting .294/.387/.437 with 15 homers and 4.8 WAR—exceptional numbers for a player spending half his time in the Astrodome, in its day the majors' toughest hitting environment. Bagwell spent his first nine seasons (1991–99) in the 'Dome, but remarkably enough showed virtually identical home/road slash lines (.303/.421/.546 in Houston, .305/.412/.544 elsewhere) for that period. His 160 OPS+ during that span ranked fourth behind Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire and Frank Thomas, and his 56.7 WAR ranked third behind Bonds and Ken Griffey Jr.

    Stuck in the same league as both Bonds and McGwire, Bagwell never led the NL in homers, but did place second in both 1994 (39) and '97 (43), the latter one of his three 40-homer seasons between ’97 and 2000. He ranked among the top 10 in OPS+ every year from 1991 to '99 (save for '92) and placed in the top five of that category six times, leading the league in the strike-shortened '94 season (213). Those 1994 numbers were off the charts: .368/.451/.750 with 39 homers for a career-high 8.2 WAR, 2.0 higher than Bonds and 3.1 higher than any other NL position player. For that, he was unanimously voted the league's MVP, beating out Matt Williams, whose 43 homers put him on pace to challenge Roger Maris’s single-season record—though admittedly, Bagwell caught a break, as he suffered a fracture in his left hand via a hit-by-pitch in the final game before the strike. He was prone to such injuries due to his plate-crowding stance, suffering them in 1993 and '95 as well.
    About that batting stance: From his earliest days in the majors, Bagwell always had an exaggerated crouch, with his center of gravity low and legs spread wide apart. Over time, it grew more extreme, with his feet some 4 1/2 feet apart and his butt sticking out with impertinence. "It looks like he's sitting on the john," teammate Ken Caminiti memorably told Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci. In the words of ESPN's Eric Neel, Bagwell’s stance made him look like a "crotchety old man sitting on the steps of the stoop, complaining about the heat and scowling at those damn kids splashing around in the fire hydrant across the street." The stance shrunk his strike zone and seemed to minimize what Bagwell could do with his legs, but he was able to generate tremendous force via his upper body strength.

    The Astros were a doormat when Bagwell joined them, but with an offense led by him and fellow "Killer B" Craig Biggio (who debuted in 1988 and emerged as a force upon moving from catcher to second base in '92), they soon became contenders. Division realignment worked in their favor; they finished first in the new NL Central four times in a five-year span from 1997 to 2001, though Houston lost in the Division Series each time, going a combined 2–12 in postseason games. Bagwell was of particularly little help in those series, batting just .174/.367/.174.

    Bagwell inaugurated the team's 2000 move to Enron Field (later Minute Maid Park) with a big year (.310/.424/.615 for a 152 OPS+ and a career-best 47 homers) and received a five-year, $85 million contract extension. The hitter-friendly park helped mask his gentle decline: He was still worth an average of 4.5 WAR from 2000 to '04, but his OPS+ fell by about 25 points. His play took a noticeable dip in 2004, when his .266/.377/.465 marked the first time he'd slugged below .500 since 1995, but he did hit .286/.375/.490 in the postseason as the Astros fell one win short of the World Series.

    Houston would get there the next year, but Bagwell made just 123 plate appearances in 2005 due to an arthritic right shoulder that limited him to pinch-hitting after he returned from surgery in September. Playing as a designated hitter in two games and pinch-hitting in the other two, he went just 1-for-8 in his lone World Series as the Astros were swept by the White Sox. Though Bagwell was just 37 at the time, his career was over, in part because the Astros preferred to collect a huge insurance payout on his 2006 contract than allow him to play, a situation that turned into a fiasco. After having him examined by renowned orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews, the team sought to have him declared totally disabled so as to recoup $15.6 million of his $17 million salary. The gambit failed, and Bagwell not only reported to spring training but also got into games, though he couldn’t make the necessary throws. He began the regular season on the disabled list and never came off. Meanwhile, the insurance claim was denied, and the Astros sued the insurance company. The two sides ultimately settled in December, on the same day he officially retired.
    That early end prevented Bagwell from attaining the round-numbered milestones (2,500 hits, 500 homers) that might enhance his Hall of Fame case, but even without them, he measures up well against the best first basemen of all time. Thanks to positive contributions on defense (+54 runs) and the base paths (+31 runs) as well as at the plate, his career WAR ranks sixth among all first basemen, his peak WAR fifth and his overall JAWS sixth behind Lou Gehrig, Albert Pujols, Jimmie Foxx, Cap Anson and Roger Connor. He's well ahead of 2014 first-ballot honoree Frank Thomas (with whom he shares the same birth date) as well as Jim Thome, Rafael Palmeiro, Todd Helton and McGwire, not to mention 14 of the 18 enshrined first basemen. Among first basemen since World War II, only Pujols outpaces him. To mix sporting metaphors, that's a slam dunk; Bagwell unequivocally belongs in the Hall of Fame.

    Still, some segment of voters hold their own suspicions against him, whether or not they've bothered to notice that his admission of using of androstenedione was published more than 15 years ago. In a feature about McGwire's chase in the Aug. 31, 1998 issue of SI, Jack McCallum wrote:
    The storm to which McCallum referred was the one that struck just a couple of weeks earlier, once AP reporter Steve Wilstein detailed the presence of the still-legal substance in McGwire's locker as he chased Maris's single-season home run record. A year later, Verducci profiled Bagwell for SI. In addition to describing his swing as "a game of Twister breaking out in the batter's box,” he detailed the slugger's training plan:
    Bagwell's admission came at a time when the drug—a steroid precursor that metabolizes into testosterone in the body, albeit rather inefficiently—was not outlawed by Major League Baseball, was legal under U.S. law and was readily available at GNC stores. Though banned in 1997 by the International Olympic Committee, which classified it as an androgenic-anabolic steroid, andro wasn't banned by MLB until April 2004; it remained legal until June of that year, when it was added to Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act. That placed it in the same legal class as anabolic steroids as well as hydcrocodone (Vicodin), ketamine, synthetic THC and other substances for which both accepted medical uses and the potential for abuse and dependence exist.

    The timing should matter. The U.S. Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws, and the application of retroactive morality (to use Buster Olney's term) by the very voters who underreported the story of the encroachment of PEDs on the game doesn't seem fair, either—to say nothing of the fact that there's no credible evidence to back the case of those who believe Bagwell used illegal PEDs. As noted above, he never tested positive, didn't turn up in the Mitchell Report (unlike teammates Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte) or any other investigation and hasn't surfaced among the names leaked in connection with the 104 positives on the 2003 survey tests (unlike ballot-mate Sammy Sosa as well as David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez and Alex Rodriguez). That doesn't guarantee he was clean, but it minimizes what might reasonably held against him in the context of his fellow candidates.
    Given that and his status as the game's second-best first baseman since World War II, Bagwell belongs in the Hall of Fame. While he’s a long shot to join 2015 inductee Biggio this year, the two Killer B’s should be reunited in Cooperstown soon enough.
     
  2. juicystream

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    While his vote angers me a lot, I get even more pissed off about the anonymous vote that listed 9 names, including Mcgwire, Sosa, & Piazza. That means suspicion or known use doesn't matter to him, but he left Bagwell on. Basically, they are saying they don't view Bagwell as a HOFer because he wasn't good enough.

    I'm also bothered by the number of people that are voting for Lee Smith & Trevor Hoffman. Saves are such an overrated statistic. Billy Wagner is better than both, but he won't receive nearly the support (nor should he).
     
  3. Hey Now!

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    He voted for Sosa and Lee Smith; my guess is that it's a Chicago-based writer. Bagwell has routinely done poorly among that group. for some reason.

    It's patently ridiculous. I don't expect Bagwell to get in this year - but Hoffman does........
     
  4. juicystream

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    I assume they are stupid and don't know much about baseball.
     
  5. awc713

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    Not only that, I think a lot of these voters just didn't watch a these players play. During Baggy's prime (along with these other players), there wasn't near the access to watching games as there is today. Baggy suffered from a lack of prime time viewership, hence why these big market clowns don't vote for him. IIRC, the Astros were not prime time TV even during our NL Central run, and that sadly effects how these voters vote...
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    Most of the voters were, at one time, beat reporters - so someone working the AL beat NEVER saw Bagwell - he/she was covering American League teams. And when they did see Bagwell... well, it was during the postseason....

    BUT - we live in an age of information; there is ZERO excuse not to deep dive into each candidate and found out what you missed.
     
  7. Vin2k2

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    Morrissey's own Twitter account description: "Chicago Sun-Times sports columnist and wise old sage of asshattery."



    Asshat, indeed.
     
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    Baseball writers when asked how they can vote in Frank Thomas 1st ballot but keep turning Bagwell down.

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  9. leroy

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    As of today, 37 votes and Bags is at 89.2%. Out of these known ballots, he's picked up 8 new votes from last year. A good trend...
     
  10. awc713

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    Baggy would be in already in the HOF if Twitter/Vine was around when he played. Oh my god this swing:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1 of 12 players to ever have a season with a wRC+ over 200, Jeff Bagwell <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SundaySwings?src=hash">#SundaySwings</a> <a href="https://t.co/sQHBdO6h79">pic.twitter.com/sQHBdO6h79</a></p>&mdash; SaberCoach (@SaberCoach) <a href="https://twitter.com/SaberCoach/status/676250603383750656">December 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  11. RunninRaven

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    When do all the votes have to be in?
     
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    https://t.co/hkBzqbLDxi

    Link to the complied ballots thus far. It's a joke if Piazza gets in, but Baggy doesnt.
     
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    Don't think Bags will get in this year but the voting thus far is extremely encouraging for future acceptance. 2017 at the latest.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">7th ballot today &amp; 49th overall is Steve Wine's. Adds Griffey; no other changes. Tracker: <a href="https://t.co/hkBzqbLDxi">https://t.co/hkBzqbLDxi</a> <a href="https://t.co/DP7s00S19p">pic.twitter.com/DP7s00S19p</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Thibs (@NotMrTibbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/NotMrTibbs/status/676575040456884228">December 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With permission granted from Mr. Wine to share it, here is our email conversation about his ballot: <a href="https://t.co/pbKucpk45f">pic.twitter.com/pbKucpk45f</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Thibs (@NotMrTibbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/NotMrTibbs/status/676592216907767810">December 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  16. Bobbythegreat

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    See, that's the kind of thing that IMO should be grounds to immediately revoke voter status.
     
  17. Hey Now!

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/SylvesterTurner">@SylvesterTurner</a> As Houston's new mayor, what are you going to do to help get <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JeffBagwell?src=hash">#JeffBagwell</a> elected to the HoF? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bags4HoF?src=hash">#Bags4HoF</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Issues?src=hash">#Issues</a></p>&mdash; Bags4HoF (@Bags4HoF) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bags4HoF/status/676538359880114176">December 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  18. colt45nyc

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    If Piazza gets in this time...we'll see Bags in the HOF next vote.
     
  19. vince

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    Ironic that the narrative in the 90's was that Biggio was the Robin to Bagwell the Batman. McLane was constantly harping that Bagwell was going to be the first Astros Hall of Famer.

    And Biggio retired after Bagwell and entered the Hall well ahead of him.

    Longevity was Biggios friend, and Bagwells bane. If Bagwell had stayed healthy a little longer he'd of hit the magical 500 HR total and surpassed it. Except in 1994, national media pundits always had Bagwell as second fiddle or lower to more hyped up names at 1st base. So he has two things working against him, people hated him because they were betting against him, or he didn't stay healthy long enough to rake in the monster numbers.

    But he should make it after all is said and done. He was the big bat that kept us relative for all those years.
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    There's no accounting for the stupidity of baseball writers when it comes to the HOF vote.
     

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