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The Stupid Things Trumps Says

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CometsWin, Nov 22, 2015.

  1. sirbaihu

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    What's "the professional world"? And why do you value it over teaching? "Coz it needs skill!" To sell cigarettes or what? Tell us how YOUR job is better than a teacher's, for example.
     
  2. Eric Riley

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    Not sure if serious or sarcasm, but if serious, then it's very moronic. And that's keeping left-right politics out of the discussion.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    No, you just said that teachers would fail "in the professional world". So much respect...

    I really hope you are playing a shtick otherwise you are a ****ing idiot.
     
  4. leroy

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    My wife chose to leave the professional world to become a teacher. Being in a cubicle or even in her own office when she ran an insurance agency wasn't fulfilling. She wanted more...even knowing there were a**holes like you and bigtexx out there who believe teaching isn't much more than garbageman. Even knowing that her salary was never likely to grow more than a few percent over decades. Even knowing that going to a Title 1 school, many of her children in 3rd grade still don't know how to read, are in the free lunch program where that's likely their only meal of the day, who might be going home to a home with no heat and electricity.

    It's not a last resort, you dick. It's a calling.

    For the second time this morning, I feel the need to say this to a poster...

    Go f*** yourself.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes you did. When you called teaching "a last alternative of getting a respectable job" then that is saying teaching is not a respectable job.

    Do you understand that an alternative to a respectable job isn't another respectable job?

    That may not have been what you meant to say, but that is what you said. You claimed that people you know who teach did it as an alternative to a respectable job.

    Here's your quote
     
  6. Kevooooo

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    There isn't enough digital space in the universe to hold the amount of stupid things Donald Trump says. He is an embarrassment. And it's so unnecessary. He could be annoying and flamboyant and still not say such senseless and incendiary things. It's just as divisive as Obama's rhetoric.
     
  7. Kevooooo

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    Teaching is a very respectable job, but I think he was trying to say that too many people he knows fell back on education because it is "easy" to find a job.

    Teachers, like engineers, are always going to be in demand. Teachers may not get paid very well, but it is a relatively stable job -- and if you have a spouse earning a second income, it's a pretty damn good job considering the vacation time.

    That being said, there are sooo many bad teachers. I too know a lot of people who fell back on teaching. Whereas, my sisters both always wanted to be teachers. And they are really good with kids. They ENJOY the challenges of teaching and the outcome. My sister keeps up a great deal of her class and their families as they age. I had a few of those teachers growing up too. The ones that really care to get the best out of you.

    I think we can all agree, not everyone has those skills. And a lot of people decide education is a job they KNOW they can get a job in, so they go that route in college. We need better teachers, more family engagement in education, more vocational learning, and more stress on the importance of a good education.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    I think teaching used to be an easy job to get into when starting out. Lately at least in California they've been having to lay teachers off because there were too many and not enough money to pay them. They had to increase class sizes to reduce the number of teaching positions. Just recently that's changed.

    I agree there are too many bad teachers. The good thing is that most people who get into teaching for the wrong reasons don't stay for too long. Most of the time, it's a high pressure job that requires a lot of hours, and has a lot of red tape involved. There are demands for professional development to happen on the job throughout the year, and additional college level or post graduate level classes that are also demanded for the entirety of a teacher's career (at least where I teach).

    But there are some teachers that are awful, and really need to leave the profession. We've probably all had them as students, and working with them is even worse.
     
  9. Bandwagoner

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    at least it was based entirely on seniority and not enthusiasm, effectiveness or testing. union > education
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Yep unfortunately. However the whole union>education line doesn't really hold water. If education was actually that important to folks they'd increase the wages and start paying teachers more because they truly appreciate them.

    There were some teachers that were saved because of their seniority that were far worse than some of the younger teachers that were laid off and that was horrible to see.

    At the same time the longer teachers teach, the more they've had their performance reviewed which is a pretty in depth and complicated process here. There were plenty of opportunities to terminate the teachers that weren't effective.
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    Pointless as you just pay the entrenched cronies more instead of getting better fresh talent attracted to the higher pay. I would fully support massive increases in pay if those laws were removed.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    Well that could happen at Charter schools, but it doesn't. The Charters don't have to have union teachers, and they don't pay their teachers more. They do talk about how they can get around the union rules and get rid of the teachers that they think aren't any good. Yet they don't pay the other teachers more, and on the whole they haven't really performed any better than the schools with unions.

    The unions here do make some mistakes, but they also have removed a ton of waste from the district and instilled requirements and standards for the teachers to help make sure they do a better job.
     
  13. sirbaihu

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    You'll be happy to know that at the college level the teachers' union is totally powerless, and schools can choose not to rehire people at any time, even when they're a year from retirement. I've seen it.

    Happier news for you: the majority of college faculty are on nine- or ten-month contracts: they are not employed over the summer. So you don't even have to fire them. Just don't rehire them.

    As a professor, I wait until June to get my offer letter for the coming August, and then the offer letter is not even an actual contract. So in fact the university can drop me any time they want, because we literally have no contract at all. And I work at one of the biggest universities in the U.S.

    So cheer up! College teachers are worth **** as employees: you can fire them to your heart's content.
     
  14. Bandwagoner

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    Good to know. All the profs I knew worked year round, had tenure, brought in hundreds of thousands in research funds and had 5-25 grad students and post docs working for them year round. I guess you are one of the other guys who grades his own papers. Which university do you work at again? Are the jews behind this just like 9-11?
     
  15. sirbaihu

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    Oh, I should add that university administrators consider themselves part of "the professional world," so one of their favorite things is to get twofers. I mean, they love to dump one employee with seniority and replace him/her with two half-price newcomers. Like say someone has been at the university for twenty years: administrators sweetly love to replace that person who is making $90,000 with two new Ph.D.s at $40,000 each. It's the business model. Students are considered customers now. Literally, they are considered "customers."
     
  16. sirbaihu

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    I can tell you right now that students paid over $560,000 for my services last school year. How much of that do you think I saw. Less than 10%.
     
  17. Bandwagoner

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    drug dealer?
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    Nasty turn in this thread.

    Must be time for faux libertarians to do their routine circling of the wagons for the mouth breather candidate. I look forward to the fine dance between passive aggressive disgust for trump to absolve yourself later in case of absolute Palin-esque failure, and the half hearted defense just in case trump is the nominee.

    If you treat school and teachers like products, then it becomes a story about personal choice and "sacrifice" to get into private school.

    Everyone fer themselves b****es.
     
  19. B-Bob

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    Truth. But it's worse than that. It sounds like you're a full-time term employee. The greater growth is in the ranks of adjunct (part-time) faculty at universities. Then the schools can really make a killing. Charge a student $50k in tuition and then provide a bunch of professors paid peanuts per course = economic win. While there are some phenomenal part-time professors, most have to shuttle between multiple schools just to makes ends meet and they have ZERO extra time for students in office hours or email exchanges, etc, etc. So it's not as good of an experience for the students, in most cases. And these faculty have no chance to be academically active in their fields, so students miss out on that as well.

    Ah well.

    Good luck to you, sirbaihu. May your renewals be plentiful and may your students be worthy.
     
  20. JeffB

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    It was quite a revelation to me to learn that this is the real face of academic work. Quite disheartening for myself and a few folks I know who had aspirations to teach in higher Ed.
     

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