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Have teams that fired their head coach less than a quarter through the season ever been successful?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Cohete Rojo, Nov 28, 2015.

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  1. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Member

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    What kind of success can we expect from the rockets this year? Have these kinds of teams even made the playoffs?
     
  2. joeson332

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    We've discussed this already, only exception would be 2006 Miami Heat when they fired Van Gundy and Pat Riley took over. The dark cloud in that series would be the officiating though but Miami still won it.
     
  3. Cohete Rojo

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    The Miami Heat did not fire Van Gundy a quarter through the season.
     
  4. meadowlark

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    The question shines some light on what actually happened in this meltdown....and for that reason, its a good question.

    DM the GM knows full well that the odds of a team being successful after firing a head coach early in the season are infinitely small. Replacing that same head coach with a completely inexperienced rookie head coach, who was part of the problems that lead to the early season struggles, even further decreases the odds of being successful...where success is defined as going farther than the previous season.

    An NBA finals appearance just isn't going to happen with such a sudden unplanned firing. You might beat a Philly team that can not beat anyone else in the NBA, but that is NOT DM's measure of success.

    The facts point to a meltdown by Les, a knee jerk reaction based on emotion and not solid rationale...much like the typical "fans" on this forum....many of whom were calling for the firing during the stretch run last year to the WCF.

    I expected more from Les, based on his history as owner and as a savvy investor. Timing is everything in investments....and the NBA. In this instance, the timing was woefully inept.
     
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    GS has destiny written all over them if that helps fans feel any better.

    What must weigh heavily on both Morey and Alexander is the difficulty they will having luring star free agents if they go from the WCF to the lottery. That's a mark that would take years to fade. Also, fair trades become more difficult. Players regress. It's ugly.
     
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    This is what I was thinking. The same way he forced Morey to get Lin when Morey didn't want to. This has to be the same thing, Morey had to be forced to fire Mchale.
     
  7. Cohete Rojo

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    Word.

    I doubt whether the rockets front office had this plan in the works since the summer.

    If I remember correctly, regarding the Heat, the rumor starting in the summer of 2005 was that Pat Riley was going to take over the head coaching position. They eventually found a way for Van Gundy to step down, and he was eventually TRADED to the Magic for some draft picks (where he later became head coach). Riley had a record of success with the Lakers and Heat. I doubt whether the rockets really want Bickerstaff from the beginning (no flak against JB).

    This was a desperation move; a cry for help.
     
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    Only when Pat Riley took over. Twice!

    You forgot Westhead getting fired and Riley taking over the Lakers in '81-82
     
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    The most well known example would be the 82 Lakers firing Paul Westhead after 11 games and tben going on to win the title under Pat Riley.
     
  10. CCity Zero

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    Uh guys, let's take a look at the 2012/13 Lakers!!! D'Antoni came in and the Lakers won the championship just like the Rockets usually do (first round exit)!

    I've never heard of this Pat Riley guy that you speak of, is he available to coach?? :rolleyes:
     
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    1992-93 San Antonio Spurs
    Fired Jerry Tarkanian after 9-11 start
    They finished 49-33; lost in Semifinals(2-4)

    1977-78 Philadelphia 76ers
    Fired Gene Shue after 2-4 start
    They finished 55-27; lost Eastern Conference Finals(2-4)

    2000-01 Seattle SuperSonics
    Fired Paul Westphal after 6-9 start
    They finished 44-38

    1990-91 New York Knicks
    Fired Stu Jackson after 7-8 start
    They finished 39-43; lost in first round(0-3)

    2012-13 Los Angeles Lakers
    Fired Mike Brown after 1-4 start
    They finished 45-37; lost in first round(0-4)

    1981-82 Los Angeles Lakers
    Fired Paul Westhead after 7-4 start
    They finished 57-25; won NBA Finals

    1989-90 Dallas Mavericks
    Fired John MacLeod after 5-6 start
    They finished 45-37; lost in first round(0-3)

    Resignations
    1988-89 Utah Jazz
    Frank Layden resigned after 11-6 start
    They finished 51-31; lost in the first round(0-3)

    1996-97 Phoenix Suns
    Cotton Fitzsimmons resigned after 0-8 start
    They finished 40-42; lost first round(2-3)

    1999-00 Phoenix Suns
    Danny Ainge resigned after 13-7 start
    They finished 53-29; lost in Semifinals(1-4)

    2004-05 Memphis Grizzlies
    Hubie Brown resigned after 5-7 start
    They finished 45-37; lost in first round(0-4)

    1979-80 Los Angeles Lakers
    Jack McKinney resigned after 10-4 start
    They finished 60-22; won NBA Finals

    Pretty ugly and lots of losing records otherwise.
     
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    If you fire, you'll lose the juju
     
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    I'm telling y'all, there is no case study like this one to go off of. Never seen a good team collapse like this for such a long period of time. The closest example is when the Monstars stole everyone's abilities in Space Jam.
     
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    Thanks for the list. I updated the "Fired" portion of the list (in bold) to include the new coaching changes (where applicable).

    As far as the Lakers winning the championship, we're talking about a team which had previously won the championship with its core of Johnson & Jabbar. The rockets went deep, to the WCF, but managed just one win against the eventual champs.

    The dynamic of the rockets to the Lakers is similar: veteran center matched with youthful guard. However, Jabbar was far more dominant against his competition than Howard ever has been; and Johnson was far more of a dynamic playmaker than Harden. No knock to either one of those guys, but Jabbar had a hall-of-fame career (including a championship) before joining the Lakers, and Johnson was a star college play for his one year (also winning a championship).

    Just saying.
     
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    Even if you don't buy the board insider(s): Even before the actual firing, cyberx called it that Les was gonna pull the trigger that weekend. It was later added that Morey got a short reprieve for a game or two, but Les had enough and dropped the axe.

    And in "real" media: Also, Morey talks about Mr. Alexander's expectations in the press conference after the firing. He let it me know the boss wanted change.

    As has been pointed out, Morey knows the numbers. He wouldn't pull this move without Pat Riley in the wings.

    This is Les folks. It is his team to do with as he wants.
     
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    History has no relevance in this. None whatsoever.
     
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    Nothing is getting accomplished this year our offseason HOPEFULLY will be getting a new coach with a better system in a place like the Warriors
     
  18. Easy

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    Firing McHale is clearly Les Alexander's knee jerk idea, not Morey's cold calculating act. The more interesting question is whether it was Les's or Morey's idea to extend McHale last Christmas. It didn't look like a Morey move either.
     
  19. Amiga

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    Considering that a number of records has already been broken, we are making history and in new territory.
     
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    So what you're saying is... there's a chance?
     

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