Demonstration of Obama's incompetence: morning of Paris attacks, Obama claimed "we have contained IS

ISIS was created in Syria, not Iraq....you do know that, right?

Going into Iraq would have been fine if it were handled properly, it required a long term investment by the US and others. They instead chose to abandon the country before it could stand on its own and we've seen the consequences of that foolish action.

Bush was a fool for signing a deal to pull out troops as soon as he did and Obama was a fool for sticking with that deal and playing it off as his own idea. When the US was still there, we were providing security and stability, the moment we left, everything went to hell.

Now maybe an argument can be made that the American people don't have the mental strength for a long term commitment to the rehabilitation of a foreign country. That certainly seems true, and if it is, sure it was a mistake to go to Iraq in the first place since we weren't going to stick around to finish the job. In fact, if that's true, the US should pull back within their borders and do nothing around the globe.

 

I am a Jihadist and I am Tired of Not Being Given Credit by Faisal Saeed Al Mutar
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It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic Jihadist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the Jihadists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.

It’s like a bad Monty Python sketch:

“We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.”

“No you didn’t.”

“Wait, what? Yes we did…”

“No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”

“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”

“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”

“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”

“Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”

“What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”

“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”

“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”

“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”

“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”

 

ISIS consists of Sunni Muslims, many of which came from the disbanded Iraqi military and AQI, you do know that, right?

The war was sold to the US as one to combat WMD and one which would be over rather quickly. Nobody from the Bush administration was saying we were going to stick around Iraq for decades like we did in South Korea, Japan, or Germany.

The blunder was invading Iraq in the first place, everything else spiraled from that blunder.

 

Actually that's not true at all. Since the very beginning it was talked about as something that would likely extend beyond Bush's time as president. Anyway, it doesn't matter now because the whole thing was blundered so instead of a potential positive it is nothing but a mess.....but don't fool yourself into thinking that it had to be that way because that's simply not the truth.

 

This is generally what I could post to each of big_texxx's claims.

It is amazing how blind you guys can be about GWB. The Iraq war was a gigantic blunder and helped lead to this ISIS mess. If GWB had actually put down his coloring book for a few minutes during 2001 he might have read any one of the many memos and reports that the CIA was thrusting at him since early in the year (the one we all know about, whatever it was called---AL QAEDA DETERMINED TO STRIKE AT U.S.---was actually the least damning), he might have taken action that could have stopped the 9/11 attacks. So naturally we respond by attacking a country that had nothing to do with the attacks except that their people don't like us, so sorry.

So we invade, we have no plans to secure the country, the massive stockpiles of weapons that go unguarded, perfect for pilfering when the Baathists are all fired and the army is all told to go home, you have no jobs, so sorry.

Mistake after mistake after mistake that the GWB administration made, starting with the invasion itself.

I won't say Obama's been a genius in un-f***ing what got f***ed. But you guys need to quit acting like the Bush/Cheney junta did us any favors.

What is the solution to this ISIS cancer? Seems like it's already metastasized. And now we have to cut at it, cut at it, cut at it.......a nice new war in the Middle East soon. As Gore Vidal wrote, "Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace".

 

This worked really well at Stalingrad and Leningrad.

 

Dude, what? We've only been in Iraq 12 years (after the 2nd war): give it some time. After like 20 years in Iraq, we are def gonna be in a normal situation! Now the Islamic State of IRAQ and Syria are committing acts of war. You'd think when you wage war against Iraq for 12 years, they would do acts of PEACE in response. I mean, what better way to wean someone off war than by waging war in their country for twelve years and showing them the reality of how sucky it is to get shot and/or blown up?

George W. tried to prevent this from happening way back in 2003. Unfortunately, all you wimpy libs failed to volunteer to go teach in schools built by Halliburton, so the Iraqis could learn about peace, love, and the 2nd Amendment.

 

That's small scale, I'm talking large scale. By "area" I mean a theatre size area.

 

Yes, the whole thing was blundered well before Obama ever took office. At that point, there was little he could do.

 

LOL, there was plenty he could have done if he was interested in doing so. Instead he was too busy trying to take credit for the dumb policy Bush signed. I know that your only interest in this is to shield your boy Obama from blame, but he's every bit as much to blame for this as Bush. If he wanted to he could have worked out a deal for US troops to stay and keep the peace, instead he wanted to make it seem as if pulling troops out and abandoning Iraq was his idea.

 

Do not debate that idiot. It's like talking to a volleyball with a smiley face painted on it. You are wasting your time.

 

I have some real problems with aspects of the President's foreign policy, but having a serious conversation about it here is damned near impossible.

He's a Muslim!

He's not an American!

He's destroyed the Middle East as we knew it for decades!

Just a small sample of what makes it impossible to discuss the man's foreign policy. Try to, and you get a bunch of FOX News/Rush bull**** that makes any serious discussion pointless, at least here. And by the way, the president who destroyed what stability existed in the Middle East, putting aside for the moment that the stability was in large part because we were (and are) supporting dictatorships in countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq? That would be Mr. George W. Bush, with his insane invasion of Iraq. None other than that man. Not Obama, not Hillary, not George H. W. Bush, not the late Ronald Reagan. Heck, not even the dictatorships themselves, or the extreme current, and past, government in Israel. George W. Bush. Golly, thanks so much for that, George.

 

Yeah! If someone makes a mistake and you don't correct the other person's mistake, it's actually your own fault! Duh!

 

Stop being such a brainwashed Liberal Deck! If you can't see the proof that Obama is a socialist Islamic fundamentalist that wants to give the world iphones you're listening to the liberal media too much!

 

Obama defines Paris attacks as "A Setback"

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/obama-paris-attacks-a-setback-in-fight-against-isis-567573059990

 

Don't assume I agree with everything Obama's been doing. Like I said in my post, I have some serious concerns about aspects of his foreign policy, including how he has dealt with the ISIS threat. In my humble opinion, a Marine Expeditionary Force could have taken care of ISIS in Iraq had it been deployed early on. That would have required the president to change his "no boots on the ground in Iraq" policy. Better to change that policy for a limited time than to embark on the drips and drabs approach he has taken thus far. That comment has nothing to do with the idoitic rants of the OP. It has everything to do with the prudent exercise of American power.

 

If someone makes a decision that is a mistake and then you go along with it and try to make it sound as if it was your idea to begin with.....yeah, you get blame for that.

 

He's hardly my "boy," I didn't even vote for him, either time.

 

No, Wilson would carry on a much more intellectually honest discussion than Bobby usually does.

 

Whatever you say man, you seem to be going out of your way to defend him from blame that he absolutely deserves.