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Yes, I think everyone gets that you are saying that, but it's just not the case.

 

Who you think gave them a lot of guns? Who you think buys their oil ? (Because they buy oil from others at a high price but from ISIS at a cheap price) and so gives them funds? They refused to help the Kurds even when ISIS themselves bombed in their own soil and instead started bombing the Kurds fighting ISIS.

 

No, it is not ok. Because it ignores the fact that a NATO ally is aiding Daesh and attacking the Kurdish forces that have been driving Daesh back. And that's not ok. Letting Turkey hide behind a supposed incapability of completely defeating Daesh in order to justify their lack of trying to do anything in that regard, and of them actually attacking the groups that are trying to do so is not ok.

If Turkey simply opened the border for trade to the largely Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces, closed the border to Daesh, stopped threatening and bombing the Kurds when they attempt to take the rest of Northern Syria from Daesh, then Daesh could be destroyed in a matter of months.

So, Turkey does have the means to stop Daesh -- simply stop helping them and stop attacking those who are defeating them.

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: France launches airstrikes on ISIS in Syrian city of Raqqa, French Ministry of Defense says</p>&mdash; NBC Nightly News (@NBCNightlyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/666004500583444480">November 15, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

Yahoo

 

Wow. Sadness indeed. I certainly share your concern and disgust in regards to those comments.

This made me feel a little better though. Here is the response from the YPG and YPJ Kurdish anarchistic militias (who are largely made up of Muslims by the way) that have been beating Daesh consistently for the last year and are advancing towards Raqqa as we speak:

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Yep, cause history tells us that war as a response improves both the local and the international segurity.

The irresponsible politicians who take these awful decisions should be judged, it is. This punitive populism in the short term only brings more deaths and terror in the long term.

If you want to finish with ISIS, attack their CAUSES, and starts by not selling armament to the countries that provide of them to ISIS.

 

History tells us that war works very well when you do it right. You can't just crush an enemy then walk away, you have to stay around and re-build what you destroyed after you've killed off those who are your enemies. The first phase of war needs to be brutal and without mercy....but you can't end it there. The second phase is restoring and ensuring order, and the 3rd phase is rebuilding the infrastructure.

Any war without all 3 phases is pretty pointless unless you literally kill everyone and everything in the enemy territory.

If you want to change that region, tens of thousands must die and then the region must be re-built into an area with peace, stability, and prosperity.

 

ISIS is not a nation. It is not a country. It is not a religion.
It is a terrorist organisation, a cancer infestation on the soil of a country that its citizens have already fled by the millions. History tells us nothing.

Do you think that the millions of refugees, the people who are the rightful citizens of Syria will be happy or not about crushing and punishing those sadistic criminals? Do you think they will uprise and continue the circle of violence?

 

This is the brutal truth....tough to read - but probably true.

DD

 

First of all, you are nobody to try to change anything there.

Second, go tell the sirian citizens, the dead and the refugees ones, how much grateful they are to the US... By the way, the US (and France, and UK... ) are they all fighting at the same side next to ISIS against the government of Al-Assad.

The thing about bombs is that they don't only kill the ones you want. Innocent people dies at any war, plus whole country infrastructures gets destroyed (their present and their future). Plus you are not solving the conflict; and more terrorist attacks are about to happen at your country.

Would like to have a better english level to discuss about this.

 

No it isnt. There is no political will to waste a trillion dollars and thousands of soldiers some unwinable war.

 

Dont say that... they'll think they're winning.

 

Says who?

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here because the English is not very good (not blaming you for that, I'm terrible when it comes to languages other than English, I just legitimately don't understand what you were trying to say)....but I'm not asking the Syrian citizens to be grateful for anything.

I very much understand that bombs kill more than those you want them to kill. That's why I say that the first phase of war has to be brutal and without mercy, and why I say that tens of thousands of people must die for change to occur. If you do things right, it won't result in a generation of terrorists. For historical sake, let's look at the example of Germany in WW2. The US surrounded entire cities and shelled them for days until there wasn't any building left standing, there were as many as 42 million civilian casualties of the war....and it didn't result in a generation of terrorists.

The reason for this was because after the fighting stopped, the military stayed around to ensure peace and then the countries involved were re-built. This is essentially the lesson from WW1 when Germany wasn't re-built and was crippled by war debt....leading to a generation of Nazis.

The situation is the same in the middle east, and we'll probably be back in Iraq before too long due to completely blundering the end phases of war there.

No worries, like I said before, I'm terrible with other languages and wouldn't have even done as well as you did if we were talking in literally any other language.

 

Reallyyyyy? And why do I see everyday young Syrian MEN most of the times without accompanying families washing up ashore?
It's because they are fighting with Assad? NO
It's because they are fleeing themselves instead of staying there and fighting ISIS.
And the people who are left in the ISIS stronghold are already being used as human shields.
They are tied on ancient columns in Palmyra and blown up or in cages and set on fire or raped and sold.

There is no perfect solution but to heal a cancer there is no perfect solution either. You have to destroy a few healthy cells to get rid of the evil and save the whole.

 

pray for the victims and their families!

 

France is starting a war they can't finish.

They may ask big brother to help.

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Suspect at large in Paris attacks was stopped and questioned by French police earlier but not detained, source says. <a href="https://t.co/u0kAl9jcld">https://t.co/u0kAl9jcld</a></p>&mdash; CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) <a href="https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/666023973013037056">November 15, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

Bush and Rice knew about "clear, hold, and build." The insurgency continued to destroy or sabotage expensive things we built that interrupted daily services like gas, water, and power which pissed off civilians over time.

As they were doing it, they racked up a hefty bill, made things toxic at home and abroad to the point where they fumbled this "no brainier".

Don't expect Europe with its minority resting at its jugular to send boots on the ground. Spain and the U.K. Haven't forgiven its leaders to their decisions in Iraq war 2.

We don't have the options we had 15 years ago. Things can change again, but no one at the G20 is discussing full on occupation.