Multiple Attacks Roil Paris; President Hollande Is Evacuated From Stadium

ok... your entire argument sounds hollow if you can not even admit that it was a horrible mistake going there in the first place. yes perhaps the U.S. left the country too early, but regardless going there was a mistake.

how many years and dollars along with troops were supposed to stay there against Iraq's elected officials will? 20-30 years? what happens if they had stayed that long and left and something similar happened? perhaps 30-40 years; even more??

in the year 2015 it appears more and more that many of those countries over there are crazy zealots that the peaceful portions of the population have neither the will or means to fight back against.

i'm not sure what you do but apparently it's a good idea to attack a country and stay for decades. that is what wins the goodwill of the entire region i suppose right.

p.s. i ABSOLUTELY love the line where you say attacking a country didn't destabilize it. killing thousands of people that were mothers, children, siblings didn't destabilize the area. bravo

 

Going became a mistake once the decision was made to abandon Iraq prematurely. It wouldn't have been a mistake if it was handled responsibly.

 

The Shiites were sticking it to us, and our military wasn't feeling omnipotent at that point in time.

No one wanted to pay for it...remember the Great Recession?

 

Damn sounds like the event at the stadium could have been a lot worse. A deadly stampede and then suicide bombers in the middle of a huge mass of people. Thank God the first bomber wasn't able to enter the stadium.

 

I think going to Iraq was a mistake, and the way it has been handled subsequently was bad, too.

It would have been better to keep the dictators in place who kept the crazies somewhat in check. Nothing good came of the so-called Arab spring. Unless certain attitudes change, these societies cannot have functioning democracies.

 

The Iraq war wasn't the cause of a recession and things in Iraq had started to calm down after the surge put enough force in country to put down flare ups quickly and efficiently. If we had stayed long enough to rebuild the country into something successful that could stand on it's own and defend itself instead of abandoning them (at their foolish request) then we'd have a success story. If we did things right, we wouldn't have given them an option when it came to the US forces there, when it came to the US base there. You don't ask an infant if they want to eat, you just feed them.

 

!!! 80,000 running for their lives...right into the path of 2 suicide bombers!!

my God. what a massacre that would have been.

Guess I should be less mad when they check your bags at the toyota center.

 

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Holder of Syrian passport found in Paris passed through Greece

ATHENS, Nov 14 (Reuters) - The holder of a Syrian passport found near the body of one of the gunmen who died in Friday night's attacks in Paris passed though Greece in October, a Greek minister said.

"The holder of the passport passed through the island of Leros on Oct. 3, 2015, where he was identified according to EU rules," said Greece's deputy minister in charge of police, Nikos Toscas.

Toscas did not know if the passport was checked by other countries through which the holder possibly passed on his way to France. A Greek police source said French authorities had asked other countries in Europe, including Greece, to check on the passport.

 

Props to the stadium security for doing their job.

Also Zouheir sounds a lot like a Muslim name.

 

lol you so crazy. The whole of Europe,the USA and most of the rest of the world should have checkpoints all over. We should harass for hours and usually prevent entry to anyone who even has a grandparent or has visited any country in the Muslim world. All men and women should be required to serve in our military and be ready for immediate call up in the reserves till age 50 or whatever. We should employ tens of million more airport screeners and security guards.

This is so we can support or depose any leader we want in the Middle East for oil or any other reason, but above all oppose the desire of 100% of all the folks in the Middle East and a clear majority worldwide that Israel quit ethnically cleansing/colonizing Palestinians which is largely justified by what the German Nazis did in WWII or what Europeans did to Native Americans in the Western Hemisphere..

 

yes, they found the bomb in a pat-down search. he starts walking backwards away from them and sets off the bomb. Not clear if any of the security lost their lives. The bomb was full of bolts.

 

These assholes sent a bunch of teenagers to do their dirty work. Apparently one of the bombers was 15 yrs old.

 

So....what was the transition from Al-Qaeda to ISIS like for you? Was it seamless? Did you like the command structure of one better than the other?

 

Yeah, sorry I just read the article. Surreal stuff...

 

go create a thread for you in Dumb & Dumber section.

 

Actually, their armies are not a joke. Turkey could definitely do a lot toward smashing Daesh if they wanted to.

No, the reason they aren't is because Turkey has been using Daesh as a proxy to attack the Kurds both in Turkey and Syria and as a proxy against Assad, who they hate -- oh, and also because their current leader is a political Islamist himself. Not only do they allow Daesh to cross the border for medical treatment, trade, recruiting and to attack Kurds, they are also actively preventing attempts by the Kurds to clear out the rest of Daesh in northern Syria. Any time the Kurds attempt to do so, the Turkish military has bombed and shot artillary at the Kurds, and have declared that they will not permit the Kurds to enter that part of Syria. And since they are the only force right now of clearing Daesh out of there, Turkey is effectively provided protection for the Daesh control of that area.

It is disgusting. And the fact that a NATO nation and an ally of the U.S. is being allowed to do this is doubly disgusting.

 

Remember when dub**** invited Iraq to become a proxy war for insurgency and terror groups with "Bring'em on".

Well that maybe, just a teeny wittle bit foreshadowed this into an asymmetric war in the likes of Afghanistan's long history of would be occupants.

I'm not saying it'd be a lost battle, but you practically put American soldiers and expensive contractors on the meat grinder just to have some fake semblance of domestic security. They have all the time in the world to change the state of play, so what you're proposing is a decades long and costly commitment to a people that didn't really want us there and had enough cause for others in the area to want to liberate them from us.

We weren't and still haven't gotten along with their democratically elected government and that success you mentioned created a window for both parties to walk away with some face. If they weren't such dicks to the Sunnis in Iraq or created a clear distance from Tehran, they might not be in such a big jam right now.

Obama wasn't dealt with a perfect hand or had the same cards bush could play, and he didn't fully understand the situation. History will tell how much he ****ed up, and Georgie boy's verdict will come up before his.

 

It's pathetic, they don't want to end their lives and send stupid and manipulated propaganda victims to their deaths by promising them glory and fighting for a bigger cause. They probably laugh their asses off at those r****ded kids doing the dirty work for them.

 

This should be investigated. Too much of a coincidence.