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Official Fire McHale Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FTW Rockets FTW, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. CCity Zero

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    Obviously I don't think that, but with the personnel he has, Wtf... He did more than this his first season with no stars, even with making bad decisions.
     
  2. i3artow i3aller

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rockets coach Kevin McHale strips off jacket, heads for locker room before final seconds of loss to Nuggets <a href="https://t.co/CwGnn65H2A">pic.twitter.com/CwGnn65H2A</a></p>&mdash; Ben Golliver (@BenGolliver) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/665389753706016768">November 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  3. SF3isBack!!

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    If he is tired of coaching the ROckets he can go **** himself and resign, lol. No I'm serious though.
     
  4. SF3isBack!!

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    His first season he was still running Adelemans offense.
     
  5. RESINator

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    Lmfao... What a joke. He really knows no better. About as Clueless as they come
     
  6. JayGoogle

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    Heh, maybe that's why Harden played so well on defense last year because he went into the season with Coach K's guidance.

    Mostly joking...
     
  7. SF3isBack!!

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    Oh No I honestly believe that's why Harden was so good last season.. Coach K. It's in part why Curry and Thompson were too. There were other factors but that was part of it.
     
  8. JayGoogle

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    I mean, it could be in part the reason. At least on defense. Harden has reverted back to his old defensive habits, last season he was average and this season he's back to letting scrubs go off for 25 against him.

    Look, Barton is a nice young player but that was just stupid.
     
  9. SF3isBack!!

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    My thoughts exactly but also, it could be defensive strategy. Mchale inexplicably went to a 2 -3 zone. It seemed like some players thought we were still in that zone when we should not have been. I honestly think that was part of the plan which is kind of scary, lol. With them shooting like they were we should have never went to a 2-3 zone. After that Harden kept trying to help in the paint.
     
  10. dobro1229

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    McHale is in danger of losing that locker room. Only regressing further and the effort on defense is just getting worse with almost no corrections being made. It's almost like they don't practice at all.

    I still don't think Morey should fire McHale because of the success this group showed it can have last year, but at what point of the season do we say if we are at this record at this point in the timeline it's time to pull the plug and start to lay the ground work for next year ala Rudy T in 92.

    My guess is if you are below .500 after Christmas you are probably out of it at that point in the west, or at least only fighting for the 8th seed... Which is probably when you pull the plug. Might see a trade first in Dec to shake things up a bit. I assume Ty, Brewer, and even Ariza will be on the table in exploratory deals.
     
  11. SF3isBack!!

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    This is what I was trying to tell you yesterday. We are already in shambles firing him now won't disrupt anything waiting however would give a new coach a bigger hole to dig out of. Also we might go on a run if Harden goes into superstar mode and it will be fools gold as Mchale will likely get credit.
     
  12. JayGoogle

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    Well one thing is certain, on team USA Harden many times was the defensive wing and off ball guy. He certainly can play the role. He certainly can tune in and play defense because Coach K got it out of him.

    Pretty much what great coaches do though, they get the most out of their players. We get the least out of them.
     
  13. RocketsFido

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    "we just gotta play HARDER!!!" - Kevin McHale after the loss to Denver
     
  14. dobro1229

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    No. I disagree. There is still time to get back to playing up to where we were last year. A big part of that was McHale and co and whatever they did to get that team to overrachieve. I think he had till Christmas to get this team back on track.

    If we ditch the coach now it will f up the heads of these guys and the season would go one way or the other. It's too early for a Hail Mary. So chill for a bit longer. I guarantee you Morey and Les know what they are doing and are gonna do what they need to if the data tells them it's time to do something drastic. The data probably says Christmas... Not November.

    I watched last years Cavs team and the 2012 Heat team have very similar Novembers and by Christmas look like a totally different team. There is still SOME time.
     
  15. SF3isBack!!

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    Mchale went 2 -3 zone late in the game

    Zone Limitations:

    Weak against good outside three point and low angle shooting teams.
    Susceptible to fast breaks and early offense.

    No individual player responsibility or accountability.
    Since all defenders must move as a unit on every pass, good zones require a great amount of work and expenditure of energy.
    Overloads and stack alignments can cause match up problems.
    Poor footwork and defensive fundamentals. Players tend to play upright affecting their quickness and reaction time.
    Problems when trailing late in the game. Forces teams out of zone and into playing their secondary defense in crunch time.
    Susceptible to offensive rebounding. Long rebounds off missed three point shots and no specific individual blocking out accountability.
    Offense, not defense, controls the game tempo.
    Tough to win big games and championships with zones.
     
  16. SF3isBack!!

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    I'm sorry I disagree with this and that's why we are suffering with his coaching now. People are giving him credit for how insanely good Harden was last year, it's just not so.
     
  17. Harden2Capela

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    dude the players voted Harden MVP last year, McHale didnt do much
     
  18. SF3isBack!!

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    Pretty much. Last year Harden came out the gate playing great D even in preseason. It wasn't Mchale.
     
  19. Htownballer38

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    Well the answer is to hire coach K.
     
  20. Codman

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    I was there, court side, and unfortunately, my beliefs about McHale were more or less confirmed.

    I don't even have the energy to go into it all that much at the moment, but basically, McHale has lost the team. His voice is meaningless. The entire "coach demeanor" between McHale and Malone isn't even close. Malone has control of his team, not necessarily because he demands it, but because his players respect his voice.

    McHale has no recognizable investment in our guys, especially during tough stretches or when young guns like the Nugz go on runs.

    It is beyond pathetic. Those of us in coaching circles are appalled by his body language and lack of PERSEVERANCE as a voice of reason, experience and inspiration.

    I became sick to my stomach, and no, it wasn't from the radiation. This was supposed to be my treat for making it half way through my treatment sessions, but I felt ill because of the manner in which McHale conducts himself on the bench.

    I am the first to admit that I have been extremely critical of McHale. Hell, I was not pleased at all when he was hired over guys who were more qualified.

    He's had a few good years with us, and I guess it's impossible to measure how much of his coaching yielded wins. But, either way, McHale cannot reach our guys anymore. He may have a month left in him, but when you see the likes of Jet, Trev, Corey, PatBev and even big Montrez ignoring him, something is up.

    During a review at one point, Malone was coaching his team with total attention in the huddle, and we took a gander at the other side to see the most discombobulated looking Rockets team that I've seen in ages. Dwight was talking to a fan, James was sitting on the table looking into the sky (near Bullard), Jet was halfway on the court watching the cheerleaders and my dude LowKeyMT was joking around with PatBev. There wasn't any urgency and the Rockets were on the verge of either getting destroyed or regaining control.

    The outcome is obvious now, but with a qualified coach who knows how to manage talent, egos and the struggle of a season, the Rockets may have had a chance.

    In my opinion, your team's identity is evidenced in a variety of places on and off the court, but a great deal of it comes from the coaching staff and spreads to the team. If your "voice" on the bench is only background noise, and if your body language breathes negativity, doubt and confusion, your team will continue on a pathway to mediocrity and horribly-low morale.

    I've heard a couple of different rumors related to McHale, but even the most unobservant fan can see that Kev' is at his lowest point as a Rockets coach. I wonder how much longer Morey waits.

    What I witnessed tonight is not only disgusting, but very troubling. If McHale doesn't regain whatever qualities he had when he was hired, this team could easily spiral out of control. The last thing you need when you're losing is finger-pointing, distrust and an angry locker room. We aren't the Sacramento Kings.

    Anyway, like I wrote, the game was so frustrating for personal health reasons, but equally important, the game was frustrating because no Rockets fan wants a letdown after the success last season. We can accept losing with a fighting core of players and a coach who fights in his own way, but I doubt any of us accept losing like a spoiled, disjointed AAU team.

    The way McHale walked off of the court said it all...

    We can do better.
     
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