Demonstration of Obama's incompetence: morning of Paris attacks, Obama claimed "we have contained IS

Does it make any difference?

 

Yes it does.

 

If only the US would have bombed a few more illiterate Sunis in Syria, none of this would have ever happened? I can understand losing your cool because of this, but if after sleeping on this you still really believe in this kind of agency in events like this one in France, your perspective of the world probably demands more than a glance out of a chartered Learjet.

Nothing Obama/Bush/Clinton/Hollande/Sarkozy would have or should done could have prevented a handful of determined, trained gunmen to mow down civilians other than locking down all of France into a police state.

This is no different from any other terror attack in New York, London, Belfast, Jerusalem, Beirut, Moscow, Madrid, Sharm el Sheik, Taba, or Munich. It's a ruthless stand by angry, desperate, superstitious people with rage against anyone not like them and it won't be fixed with either indulgent tolerance or airstrikes.

 

Not surprised -- it would be hard to imagine this was put together in less than half a day.

 

You should have been banned from this forum for the repeated childish cursing insults that you did in this thread. Neg Rep was taking it easy on you. You lost your damn mind.

 

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The entire point of the thread is to show just how badly Obama overlooked the group he called the "JV team with a Lakers jersey on" almost two years ago. Blunders like that have consequences.

 

In what way?

 

you think that was the key blunder? How about invading Iraq in the first place? How about decades of Middle East policy?

 

The Iraq invasion wouldn't have been a problem if it was handled properly rather than just creating a power vacuum and then running away.

 

I agree, but I think it's a mistake to think the enemy is simply Daesh. It's not something that can be defeated by armies or passing stricter security laws. It's accomplished by refusing to be tolerant of the intolerance of would-be theocrats who speak with moral authority from the divine.

 

"Wouldn't have been a problem?" Hundreds of thousands of people died for a war with no cause and no reason. "Handled properly?"

Blunders like that, last I checked, have consequences.

 

I totally agree. And that's all I have been saying on this forum for many years. Do not be tolerant of intolerance - all it does is it leads to things like this. The veil must be lifted (literally and figuratively) from a hateful ideology disguised as religion.

 

The blunder was abandoning Iraq before they were capable of defending themselves....and yes, it has consequences. The expansion of ISIS was one of those consequences.

 

The only real way to do this is to get away from a carbon economy. Every time I see Britain or the United States refusing to heavily condemn Saudi Arabia and then giving that regime arms deals it sickens me to the core. It sends exactly the wrong message: it doesn't matter what you do, so long as you have oil, you will have our protection.

The faster the world gets away from appeasing those resource-rich regimes, the better the world will be. It should be innovation and science that drives the world forward, not an arms race to see who can dig out dinosaur remains the fastest.

 

The original blunder, the original sin, was going into Iraq in the first place, what even was the point?

 

And if it makes people feel better about it, we can blame Bush for starting the ball rolling on that policy instead of Obama for campaigning on it and ensuring that it happened.

 

And had that group been destroyed (at great expense to the taxpayers of the West) it would have reformed with another name under a new vanguard of illiterate bigots with silly titles and silly hats.

Obama underestimating Daesh wasn't agency in this attack any more than Thatcher underestimating the IRA or Bush underestimating Bin Laden made them responsible in their time. If you believe otherwise, than it would be consistent to believe that more gun control would have prevented school shootings.

But at least we live in enlightened enough times that no one is blaming "the Jews."

 

This is something we totally agree on.

 

The point was to get rid of Hussein and provide stability in the region....then we abandoned them and made things worse.

 

I disagree with you on the real point of the war, but even if one were to assume that this were the case, how in the world would hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths have provided stability?