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Ty Lawson Effect

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mockster, Nov 7, 2015.

  1. hakeemthagreat

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    He is one of the best pg's in the league


    But the Rockets have one play they run all game. Dribble down the court, give the ball to Harden, run to the corner and hope he passes to you:rolleyes: Not the ideal offense for a playmaking PG. If McHale was smart (in which he's not) he'd run some plays early for Ty. By letting Lawson run the show, you are:

    a) getting EVERYBODY better shots

    b) keeping the defense off balance

    c) saving energy for Harden

    There is NO REASON the first shots of the game should be James Harden ISO's. That's the dumbest thing we can do outside of posting up Dwight. Not sure why Lawson hasn't been included in the offense more
     
  2. ibm

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    ^^^

    the following link has all the starting pg's in the league.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx

    care to tell where you think lawson's ranking is?

    btw, if you rank him a "top 10" (meaning #9- or #10-ish), and still say he's "one of the best", that doesnt mean much imo.
     
  3. hooroo

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    praise for being in the top 10 in a 30 team league is like a ribbon for everyone who competes in a race
     
  4. larsv8

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    He is borderline top ten and "one of the best".
     
  5. digitallinh

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    PGs that would be an upgrade from Lawson right now for what we need as a team. off ball Finisher + 3 point shooter + defense + initiate offense.

    In no particular order.

    westbrook
    curry
    cp3
    irving
    lilliard
    bledsoe
    reggie jackson
    teague
    wall
    conley
    lowry
    brandon knight
    elfrid payton
    langston galloway
    trey burke

    that's 15.

    You can probably make a case for

    avery bradley
    rubio
    isaiah thomas
    goran dragic
    mudiay
    kemba walker
    mo williams

    so between 15-20 at best.
     
  6. larsv8

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    lol no
     
  7. OpenLayup-Why3?

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    He was in Denver. In Houston so far he's bottom 10
     
  8. PuzzledFan

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    Point guards who are much better: Curry, Westbrook, Paul, Irving
    Point guards who are better: Wall, Lowry, Dragic, Conley, Bledsoe, Teague, Parker, Lillard, Rose
    Point guards who might be better: Shroeder, Walker, Williams, Jackson, Mudiay, Mills, Carter-Williams, Beverley, Knight

    But Lawson used to be better than anybody in that third group (except Deron Williams in the beginning) and it wasn't that long ago.
     
  9. PhiSlamma15

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    Do ya'll recall LeBron,Dwade and the Chris Bosch experiment and how bad they sucked in the beginning having ups and downs with their chemistry and they were arguably all better than our top 3 starters?
     
  10. digitallinh

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    what's lol is your PG is scoring 10 points on 31% 3 point shooting in almost 39 minutes a game, all while playing piss poor defense.

    That's pretty lol.

    His turnover ratio is pretty lol too.
     
  11. larsv8

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    For **** sake.

    He is the same player he has always been. He is in a new role that doesn't suit him. Doesn't change who he is as a player.

    I really don't get how it so hard for everyone to understand these concepts.

    We went out and got a baby version of Harden with a similar play style and similar weaknesses.

    If you wanted a 3 and D PG with some play making skills, you got the wrong player. He isn't that guy, he will never be that guy. And moving the ball into Lawsons hands and asking Harden to be that guy isn't going to work either.

    The issue HAS NEVER been that we needed more play making with Harden on the court. The issue has always been the playmaking when Harden is off the court.
     
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    Cause wade eventually was fine with playing 0ff ball.

    Which one of Lawson or Harden is gonna start making plays off ball?
     
  13. digitallinh

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    Who cares if he's intrinsically talented. If he's not producing he's not good. Bottom line. Produce = good, I don't care how much talent you have.

    Produce = good.
     
  14. PuzzledFan

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    Well, it's always a bit hard moving to a new team and a new system. And it's especially hard on point guards. Even Chris Paul's numbers took a hit when he moved to the Clippers.
     
  15. steddinotayto

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    I need to bring you with me to the grocery store next time and let me know which are good produce and bad produce.
     
  16. steddinotayto

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    You know nothing. CP3 is always good produce like what they have at Whole Foods. Lawson is clearly rubbish you buy at Food Town.
     
  17. PhiSlamma15

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    that is the million dollar question and who will play off the ball "effectively" :cool:
     
  18. finsraider

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    I agree with Harden that this is similar to the Lebron/Kyrie merger. People forget that after 39 games last season (mid-January), Cleveland was 19-20.

    Even before then, Lebron/Wade/Bosh took some time to meld. In their first season together, the Heat started out 9-8.

    What's interesting is that in both of these cases, the teams had long winning streaks after the initial struggles: 12 in a row for both Miami and Cleveland.

    I think the same will happen here. Even during our 4 game winning streak, I never got the sense that things had "clicked". The wins were still coming too difficult.
     
  19. digitallinh

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    To be totally fair, they were like 18-10 or something with both of them until Lebron took that month or so off and they lost every game.
     
  20. ibm

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    your logic (and i see you're not alone here) is fine, except that fact that harden is no lebron and lawson isnt exactly kyrie either.
     

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