Miami wants someone to take on Stokes and Udrih. Would Miami be willing to give us a second rounder if we got the two of them for Dekker?
My ideal playoff lineup looks something like this: Lawson / Beverley Harden / Thornton Ariza / Brewer or McDaniels DMo / (Stretch forward that isn't a defensive liability) Howard/ Capela In this perfect world, Howard, Capela, and Brewer/McDaniels would always play with 4 shooters around them...ie they would never play together. Brewer/McDaniels would play with DMo at the 5, and Howard/Capela would play with DMo/Ariza/stretch forward at the 4. If we trade for a "stretch forward", it's most likely going to be someone on a non-playoff team with an expiring contract. Forwards that can shoot are too valuable to their teams, and Morey won't want to compromise our cap flexibility next summer. So the list of potentials looks something like this: Marvin Williams Ryan Anderson Maurice Harkless My favorite remains Marvin Williams. He knows his role, can shoot, finish inside, and play defense. His contract expires next summer, so we would maintain flexibility. He's making $7 million, which means it won't be prohibitively difficult to trade for him. TJones + Brewer + 2016 NYK 2nd for Williams + Troy Daniels A side benefit is that we would have Williams' early bird rights, which would allow us to pay him up to $12.25 million per year for up to 4 years ($55 million with raises) without needing cap room. This won't matter if Durant commits, but if he doesn't or we win the championship this year and want to keep the team together, having that flexibility to bring Williams back is important. Troy would be a throw-in to make the cap work, but you can never have enough shooters. Another benefit is that Troy will be a restricted free agent, which might come in handy if he improves and Thornton gets a big contract offer from someone next summer. Finally, this trade would leave the Rockets about $4 million under the apron, which gives them plenty of options to fill the final roster spot. They could cut Troy and sign 2 vet minimums, sign just 1 vet minimum, use the remaining portion of their MLE, use the Shved TPE, or keep the $4 million in space to facilitate another trade. One of my favorite options is to use the remaining MLE to sign Alan Williams to a 3 year contract with non-guaranteed 2nd and 3rd years, similar to the contract Beverley signed when he came from Russia. Lawson / Beverley / Terry Harden / Thornton / Daniels Ariza / McDaniels / Dekker DMo / M Williams / Harrell Dwight / Capela / A Williams
Also, I didn't mentioned that this could easily evolve into a 3 team trade and include other picks. For example, Cleveland has that Brendan Haywood TPE, they still lack athletic wings and we know they were very interested in Brewer last year. If they were willing to pay even more tax (another $40 million just for Brewer), they could absorb his contract, which means TJones would be the only player going to Charlotte. Another option would be just using Philly or Portland's cap room. Anyways, tons of options.
How so? Some 2014-2015 stats: Great at the corner 3 45% from the left corner 52% from the right corner 36% from 3 overall Good in the paint 57% in the paint 62% under the basket Moreyball - Not a heavy mid-range shooter 53% of his shots were 3s 25% of his shots were in the paint This year he's averaging 8.8 rebounds per game, the best output of his career. Steve Clifford said this about his defense - “Marvin is a very good defender, both individual defense – pick-and-roll defense – and he’s got the reaction (time) to play good team defense,” Clifford said. I'm not saying Marvin is our "savior" by any stretch, just that he can play a functional and important role on this team. I'm not suggesting we trade the house for him, unless you think TJones, Brewer and a 2nd is a lot.
Impressed with that rebounding number. Didn't realize it was that high. Of course, it's early. He's had 4 double digit rebounding games and two subpar rebounding games. He's historically not been a good rebounder. But....regardless of that issue...his offensive game fits us perfectly. I'd love to have him. Especially on that expiring contract.
Mavs are struggling. And sadly, they are paying big money to Parsons and Matthews. Any chance to get Dirk for cheap? It'd be fun..
Finsraider that is a terrible trade for the Rockets value wise. On top of Jones, you want to trade the NYK second rounder that has potential to be high. Marvin Williams for Brewer is a good trade value wise. Not sure about fit for Charlotte tho. Anyway it's way too soon to see what direction Charlotte will follow in the trade deadline. If they are not sellers they won't get rid of him. I like him as a trade target. Another team that is guaranteed to trade a pf even two is Boston. They can't find ANY playing time for Zeller now that fat Sully and the hippie are playing well. You can't fit four pfs in the rotation that's for sure.
I used to follow the Hawks closely, so Marvin Williams is a guy who's career I'm quite familiar with. Truth be told: he's a fine player, very solid across the board. He's just had a dark cloud and stigma, of sorts, follow him throughout his career because of him who he as drafted over. He's very Ariza-like in the way that he plays. High IQ, knows his role, plays good defense, can hit the long ball and doesn't really hurt you in any way, shape or form whenever he's out there. You can win a championship with a player like Marvin in your rotation.
I don't think it's terribly far off value wise. 1) That NYK 2nd isn't going to fall into the top of the 30s like it did last year. 2) TJones still has value as a young athletic big, but the reality is the Rockets aren't keeping him and DMo....they may not even keep one. 3) Brewer is somewhat redundant if KJ figures things out. Not every move needs to be about preserving picks/assets. Sometimes flexibility and filling a need is worth more.
That's kind of my view. If he was drafted in the mid-teens, everyone would've called that pick a success. To me he's Brewer. We bring him him to fill a specific need....no more or less.
We will see how high the NYK second will be but the East is highly competitive this year. There are only two tank teams everyone else is in the hunt of the playoffs. So the Knicks may make the playoffs and they can also be bottom 3. It's extremely hard to predict. But by January and near the trade deadline it will be easier to tell. From what I have seen-sadly already three games I have watched- their defence is awful and they won't make it. Their bigs also play too aggresively and foul every single time, and at some time you should expect for the refs to catch on to that and start calling. It doesn't matter if for us T.Jones is the available for trade. Or that Brew is redudant. (I expect him to play better than he has soon). That's why I admire Morrey and really detest idiot GMs like Hammond. He wants good value out of every trade that's why he's the top GM of the league. And he will get it. He won't get desperate he will wait and find the right opportunity. There will be the right opportunity to get the right value. Right now that value is 200%+ more than needed. By February there will be sellers and one of the best exchange for their players will be Jones who is young and has "potential" and can be resigned with bird rights. Either Marvin Williams, or Zeller/Sully or Gallinari or Anderson or someone else we dont' even know yet. Morrey doesn't do bad trades.
One more thing about Marvin Williams. While Cho their GM in general is very good at trades (and awful at drafting) in his whole carreer this year both him and the coach got their jobs on the line. When GMs got their job on the line, to make the playoffs or get fired that makes them more desperate and they make bad trades.
I'm just gonna throw this out there and will probably be mocked by some ppl, but I'm liking D12 for A. Drummond.
I guess we differ on what a bad trade is then. A bad trade to me is one that locks you in while overpaying. The overpaying might be debatable in the trade I proposed, but it certainly doesn't lock you in. And even if it is a slight overpay, why does that matter if you're competing? We paid 2 2nds for an expiring Brewer last year...that was overpaying, but still the right move. We have 3 2nds over the next 2 drafts.....NYK, DEN, and POR. We have 2 MLEs to sign them, but we also have yet to sign Llull or Gentile. Trading the NYK 2nd actually makes the most sense of all of them unless you're going to do another Eurostash, but again, we have a backlog there. Ultimately my point is that another shooting forward would be extremely valuable to this team, and the ones without big holes in their game are in short supply.
Marvin Williams would be a major upgrade at PF. The quote you originally referenced compared him to Ariza and I think this is right. I wouldn't minimize the impact of a player like him on a team like ours. I don't like the idea of getting rid of Brewer though I would give up TJones in a second. I'm not sure who else to pair him with. DMo is untouchable to me. I guess if it took Brewer I'm ok with that. Especially with how Marcus Thornton has been playing.
Well..after I looked it up because I didn't remember the details on what kind of picks Brew was traded for : Houston's protected 2016 second round pick and Sacramento's protected 2015 second round pick. I had found a site that had all the picks owed to each team but can't find it right now. Depending on those protections on the Sac pick both second round picks are pretty much worthless. But the NYK second rounder has potential to be good (as far as second rounders go ofc). It may not be, but it may be. Since those trades will happen in January we will have an idea how much it's worth then. Or at least a better idea because the East even at January will be hard to see what happens in the standings. Not every second rounder is worth the same, as not every first round pick is worth the same. Houston's pick are of the lower quality because the team is a contender projected to win 50+ games. NYK are projected to win 28-30 games and that will make their second rounder around 34-40 which is good. [Not that there aren't players selected after top 40 that can stick to the league but they are extremely extremely rare]. Alone that pick if NYK are really at around 28-30 is worth in general a mid tier role player. Like Marvin Williams who also expires. Now as for your philosophy in trades, there are some who think that too. Including some GMs. But that's how in the end you lose your assets. As I said being a fan of a team that repeatedly has that philosophy I'm pissed when that happens. We will see ofc what happens but that's not the style of Morey. BUT in a vacuum Marvin Williams is not worth all that package. In a vacuum the trade you posted is an overpay by Houston. Also we will see how the market goes and how the GMs react. The FA class is extremely weak so not all teams will be looking for expirings or getting rid of long term contracts in the deadline both January's and June's. I mean except Durant we are looking at Derozan and Batum going to get paid 20 per , no good guards except for one and a couple of good big men who most likely won't even leave their teams. Meaning that the value of expirings like Marvin Williams may not be elevated by the market since there will not be a demand for clearing capspace for summer. That lowers his value in the market.
He did it again last night....10 rebounds. He's now led Charlotte in rebounding in 5 out of their 7 games.
And why would Dirk leave the (g.d., m.f.-ing) Mavericks? To spend your career with just one team, that doesn't happen too often.
