Hang on by your fingertips. Few of those men had deeper political experience than the Continental Congress and most of what they had was just local-- certainly no federal government experience or anything like it. Hadn't been invented yet, so technically speaking none of them could have had the kind of experience that would have mattered in a new governmental concept. Hey, it was a dumb mistake but it doesn't rise to the level of hijinks that you guys are trying to make it out to be. No one in the world had had the kind of experience in government that the birth of America would require. I think that is a fair statement and I think that is what Carson was hitting at. You reel him in, filet him and pan fry him while I toss him back to get bigger and stronger.
Is anyone on earth even indirectly comparing Ben Carson to Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson. ** insert laugh-until-vomit gif here ** I was thinking how that guy on Dancing with the Stars had never danced with the stars until he was on Dancing with the Stars. Ben Carson is like that guy.
You are moving the goalpost. There was no federal govt. of which they could have been a part of. Nobody was claiming they all had held federal govt. positions. YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON TALKING ABOUT FEDERAL GOVT. EXPERIENCE. Carson didn't mention Federal experience, I didn't mention Federal govt. experience, none of the articles mentioned Federal govt. experience. It was only you talking about that. It's looks like you only brought that into the picture to give yourself a way out for not realizing that all of the signers were experienced govt. workers and politicians. Every single one of them. So you try and put the "Federal Govt." qualifier onto it. Sorry, Gus, that doesn't work. Again it isn't the biggest deal for a candidate and isn't the thing in which I'm most interested. I'm more interested in what you're doing here. You are bending over backwards throwing out documented facts and inserting your own qualifiers in order to excuse what Carson did. That is far more interesting than a candidate who is either a liar or completely ignorant of the history involved with those who founded this nation. From what I remember you resided in one of the original 13 colonies. Strange what you are doing with this issue. I'm not blaming you or Carson. I'm just very curious how this comes to be. I've already mentioned Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin and their holding office prior to the Continental Congress. We can also talk about Robert Treat Paine, and him being elected to the Provincial Assembly. We can talk about George Read and how he was an attorney general, as well as being elected to the Delaware Committee of Correspondence all before the Continental Congress. How about William Hooper who was elected to the General Assembly of North Carolina prior to serving in the Continental Congress. Then There's Benjamin Harris who was also a member of the House of Burgess in Virginia prior to serving in the Continental Congress. I could go on and on, or you could do your own history lesson learn something about the issue.
If you wanted to go on and on, you could just copy and paste all that information and more. Yes, some of these men held elective office in the freaking American colonies-- a selectman or an assemblyman representing a couple of thousand colonists. The one who was referring to FEDERAL experience is Ben Carson. He's the one who "mentioned" it.
Apparently FranchiseBlade was. I don't believe I did. Carson's success so far has been his separation from the political machine. It may be his undoing. The political machine is what got us in the ****hole we are in....
Trump and O'Reilly literally made me LOL at the gym as they were trying to get straight if Carson hit his mom in the face with a lock or a hammer. O'Reilly really stuck a knife in Ben Carson tonight.
No Carson wasn't. That isn't what he said. You are not only trying to change the facts of history, you're now changing what Doc Carson even said. What he claimed was "Every signer of the Declaration of Independence had no elected office experience" Because apparently even as clueless as Carson is, he would know that to talk about Federal elected office before there was a Federal Govt. would be even more stupid than simply claiming they held no elected office. Including all of the posters in this thread the past few pages of this thread, and what Doctor Ben said only one person was talking about federal elected experience and that was you and only you. You were the only person who brought that up, and that includes Doc Carson's original statement on the matter. Carson didn't "mention" federal elected office. If he did, then it would be stupid because it wouldn't support the claim he was trying to make. Of course the actual facts of what he said don't support that claim at all either. Please quit making stuff up such as Ben Carson was only talking about Federal elected experience.
Can that surprise anyone? I have always pictured "giddyup!" to be his exclamation while riding a portable goal post in some dust bowl type abandoned football field.
Of course, it is going to depend on how you define "no." If you are being hyperbolic then little is tantamount to no. Obama? Barely a year as an ineffective US Senator and he's off running for President. He was probably even an undistinguished state senator or something prior to that. Again, I see fluidity in meaning. You look for starkness where it serves you. On second thought, I'm pretty sure he just out and out lied about it.... I'm really just jousting with the rabble-rousers. I want to be there the first time you tell her, if she aborts, "I really miss Milos..."
Hasn't the criticism of Carson been that he has held no national elected office, i.e. "federal?" Carson didn't have to mention it because that is the context of this particular criticism he is receiving and he is simply likening himself to other great men who did wonders for this country. Good God, George Washington was a general... appointed not elected! I'll bet my bicycle that Carson has been elected president of something, medical society, Mensa chapter....
Historically this has been true. Keith Olberman was on Maher last night and he was talking about some organization who weekly or monthly tweets out the analgous polling data from the last three presidential primary seasons: the leaders were people like Howard Dean and Herman Cain. It is likely to change in a year but then again, who knows? That's why they play the game.
I blew you and major out of the water on the Continental Congress. They did less than I surmised they had done. Yes, they held other offices such as a selectman in a South Carolina village of 499 people. Their previous elective offices were minor in comparison and they were Colonial not American. There I go, moving the goal line again.... :grin:
Surprise?! NOT REALLY. "Politico admits fabricating a hit piece on Ben Carson. http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/06/politico-admits-fabricating-a-hit-piece-on-ben-carson/
No, that isn't the criticism of Carson. The criticism of Carson is that he has no experience in governing. Again you were the person who brought the federal govt. into this. Being elected president of a club isn't the same as being an elected official. Carson set the parameters here. You moved them for him in order to help him save face, but it doesn't change anything.
Yes, you did move the goal posts. Carson was wrong about what he wrote. You excused it and added in your own "Federal" flavor in an attempt to rationalize it. Again the "Federal" thing is stupid. It's even stupider than being wrong about all of the elected experience that the signers of the declaration of Independence held. What kind of idiot would highlight something that wasn't invented yet to make it seem like he was the same kind of guy as the signers of the Declaration of Independence? That is really dumb. It would be the same as claiming he was qualified to be the President because he doesn't have a pilot's license. You know... because guess who else didn't have a pilot's license? That's right, all of the signers of the declaration of Independence didn't have a pilot's license. Not one of them. Since Carson also doesn't have a pilot's license we should vote for him. Please don't make Carson out to be more of a buffoon than he's already making himself out to be.
