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Kubiak and Wade Phillips are 7-0 and Rick Smith is.....

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by deb4rockets5, Nov 1, 2015.

  1. thedude077

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    Are people this stupid to think it was a mistake firing Kubiak? Yeah he is having success right now with the Broncos but that's because the Texans have Rick Smith and the Broncos have a better organization than the Texans. And no matter how old Peyton Manning is, he's still better than what Kubiak had in Matt Schaub here in Houston. Who really knows what will Kubiak's coaching will be once Peyton Manning retires but he won't have success like he's having now.
     
  2. Mr. Clutch

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    Sounds like you're arguing we should of fired Smith instead
     
  3. Newlin

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    Kubiak has had success everywhere he's coached. It's impossible for anyone to deny that. But, a 2 win season will get most coaches fired unless it's very early into a rebuilding job.

    I was never a Kubiak hater, so I'm happy to see Kubiak and Wade doing well. I think Kubiak and the Texans were victims of some really bad luck in that 2-14 season. The Texans went all in on players like Foster, Cushing, and Schaub and they all got injured. Also, the offensive line fell apart.

    Looking back on it, I can't really blame the Texans for going all in on Schaub and company. After years of struggle the Texans had their first taste of success with Schaub, and so they went all in, and it just didn't work out.

    As far as The GM position is concerned. I don't think McNair wants to give the keys to the franchise over to a GM. I think when the Texans were started, McNair gave Casserly a lot of control in running the franchise. As the franchise limped along in the early years I think McNair decided he wanted to be more involved in running the team, so Casserly was removed and replaced by Smith. I think McNair gives the head coach a big say in most of the big decisions. But, McNair is firmly in control. I don't know if McNair wants to back to a Charley Casserly type of GM.
     
  4. HillBoy

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    Hmm, so Rick gets to be the scapegoat here. How convenient. With Rick taking the fall the coaches and players get to evade responsibility for their part in this mess. Yeah, that makes sense. And to me what Kubiak did in Baltimore and is doing in Denver is irrelevant because in both instances he did/does not have the control over personnel that he did here. In Baltimore that job fell to Ozzie Newsome while in Denver it is John Elway who has the power. Firing Smith won't in and of itself magically make the Texans better.
     
  5. Nimo

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    I agree. For some reason, fans just want to blame Rick for everything. Everything negative the team does, must have been Rick. Everything positive the team does, must have been the coach. I don't get it. And it's just local. Nationwide media think highly of Rick Smith. I've posted on here how outlets like NFL.com and yahoo rank him as a top 15 GM. I think the fact that the coaching staff was fired and the GM was retained with no media outcry tells you he is not the problem. He might not be the solution, but he is not THE problem.
     
  6. TheFreak

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    More of the same "he doesn't do anything, it can't be his fault" defense. Pretty rock solid. Let's go ahead and extend him.
     
  7. Houstunna

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    Revisionist history much?

    Not sure how a 12-point home victory equals an "absolutely awesome" effort. Colts were missing 2 starters on their o-line. Schaub threw 1 TD. We got a blocked punt returned for a TD. And only won by 12?!?

    Nice victory? Sure
    Awesome victory? No
    Absolutely awesome? LOL, only if you've smoked some good stuff

    Of course Texans fans would want Good-Schaub now compared to what we currently have. But all that means is Schaub > Hoyer. Big whoop. And remember, despite prime Schaub's numbers, he was always subpar during primetime.... unless the team was down big.
     
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  8. Nimo

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    Or maybe he negotiates the best price (money or draft pick) for what the coaching staff wants.
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    That worked well when he traded six picks for Nix and Strong.
     
  10. Nimo

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    Six? Try four.
     
  11. Nimo

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    And here's what people thought of last year's draft:

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47170/174/draft-2014-afc-draft-grades

    And Strong:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...s-get-a-for-picking-wr-jaelen-strong-at-no-70

     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    Ok four.

    And another one on McKinney.

    And losing two for cutting Manning and Daniels
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    We shouldn't keep a GM because the internet gave his draft an A.
     
  14. Mr. Clutch

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    I'm not scapegoating Rick, its a franchise wide failure with the coach and owner.


    BOB and Rick should be fired IMO
     
  15. Nimo

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    First, I'm not in the "Rick Smith should keep his job" camp. I'm more in the "firing Rick Smith doesn't fix the team's problems" camp.

    Second, the draft grade is proof that the prospect and where he was picked was not a ridiculous decision. Maybe we should be asking why the team couldn't get more out of the players the coaches wanted. The coaching staff, and the GM, get the blame.

    Third, even the best teams in the league have draft busts. Remember how mad we were the Ravens jumped ahead of the Texans to get Arthur Brown? Well, he has been a disappointment so far. So were Kyle Boller and Travis Taylor. Both first round busts. Remember Montee Ball with the Broncos. Well he's unemployed. Brandon Meriweather, Jermain Cunningham, Ron Brace, who? with the Patriots.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Every team drafts busts but not every team wastes picks trading up.

    Analytics community thinks trading up is dumb, for what it's worth.

    And in the case of Nix and Strong, they were both dropping hard. Other teams saw red flags and avoided them
     
  17. Nimo

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    I know it's not the analytics community but here's what some believe are the worst NFL trades involving draft picks:

    http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000519212

    notice what team is missing from that list?


    So it's okay to listen to the "analytics community" but not the NFL experts who scout and analyze for a living?

    I think Jaelen Strong's problem is that the coach refuses to play him. He has produced every time he's been given extended playing time.
     
  18. Hey Now!

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    .... I honestly can't tell if you truly believe this abject pile of rotten bull****, or you're just trolling me.....

    If you don't think a division-clinching victory over your division rival six days after a national dick-stomping is awesome, I sincerely suggest you stop watching football; you sure as **** should stop calling yourself a Texan fan.

    Schaub completed 74% of his passes at a clip of 8.4YPA. That you'd reduce his game down to "1 TD" exposes the tenuous grip you have on even the most fundamental basics of football.
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    It's really not a good idea to talk about QB's around here, all you'll get is laughable hot takes.
     
  20. HillBoy

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    Oh I'm not saying that Rick makes no mistakes - he has - just look at the contracts he's extended to guys who aren't living up to them. But to lay the blame for the 3-5 record, bad drafts and coaching fook ups solely on him is practicing self delusion. He really doesn't have the authority or power over the roster that would merit him getting all of the blame because he didn't pick these players - the coaches & scouts did.
     

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