Lol good catch. They got the percentage is right, it's the number of shots that are wrong. Should be 21/43
Kerr's system? Curry's been a crazy good player under a number of coaches: Walton, Jackson, and Smart in addition to Kerr. He's been pretty much the same player since his last year at Davidson. You can't plug another good PG on the Warriors and get Steph Curry. He's pretty unique. Just like D'antoni couldn't run seven seconds or less effectively without Nash. MVPs aren't system driven guys, they ARE the system.
I agree, but you can see the extra "lift" Curry and the whole team has received under Kerr/Gentry offense. That's the difference a good coaching staff can make to multiply the effectiveness of your star players.
I know it's just a 4 game stretch, but he has put a 50.4 PER over those 4 games. Yes I know PER is a flawed stat, but how many players have ever done that over 4 games? He also has a 1.7 win share and has a .648 win share/48. Pretty insane 4 game run.
Maybe an MVP but that team doesn't win anything without Kerr - Nash was an MVP with a team of similar talent - zero finals.
what does that even mean? he might be an mvp but that team doesn't win. ok well, that team doesn't win without curry with Kerr. Some of these statements are ridiculous to see just to try to downplay something like the mvp of the league because he plays on a different team
I'm conceding that Curry is an MVP and great player, i'm just downplaying people giving him GOAT status and saying he's the best all-around player in basketball - that is absolutely not true. statistically Curry has been the same player his whole career.. so why treat him any different right now? the biggest changes to GS has been the roster and coaching staff, I'm just saying that's what pushed them over the hump - not Curry developing into some supreme shooting freak. That's always been there and just now being recognized, that's all.
Because that doesn't mean he didn't improve significantly and that's exactly what has happened and he still is. He's definitely not the same player today compared to years before. James harden "statistically" has been the same player since he got here but that 100% does not tell the entire story. He is not the same player now compared to when he first got here despite being "statistically" the same player. He's gotten better every year since he's been here and that translated into an MVP caliber season last year. Players do evolve despite what the numbers say.
these statistic arguments are so stupid. In a closed system like the NBA, statistics show exactly what they say they should. The problem is, most of this board draws conclusions that aren't related to the data they are looking at. Curry can shoot 45% 3 pointer over 3 years. Does this mean he didn't improve? Absolutely not. It doesn't say the degree of difficulty of his shots, if he's more consistent, if he's making the best decision on wether to shoot or pass. Statistics aren't opinions. They output data exactly how they are supposed to. The ultimate statistic would be an exact measure of a players impact. The problem is, we aren't asking the right questions, and even when we do, we use the data to support conclusions that the evidence doesn't actually empirically support at all.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's super early, but Stephen Curry ranks as the league's 3rd most IMPROVED shooter: <a href="https://t.co/KKHWXnfk9s">pic.twitter.com/KKHWXnfk9s</a></p>— John Schuhmann (@johnschuhmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/662282806970699776">November 5, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stephen Curry is shooting 59% from 3PT range in the pick & roll, 57% in isolation situations, and 67% in transition. <a href="https://t.co/lODjYo9tOP">pic.twitter.com/lODjYo9tOP</a></p>— Synergy Sports Tech (@SynergySST) <a href="https://twitter.com/SynergySST/status/662157131941027840">November 5, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When you see it ... <a href="https://t.co/LHjvQuS5fY">pic.twitter.com/LHjvQuS5fY</a></p>— Tom Haberstroh (@tomhaberstroh) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/662291242517180417">November 5, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Steph Curry on pace for 459 threes. Which would shatter his own NBA record of 286.</p>— Chris Martin Palmer (@ChrisPalmerNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisPalmerNBA/status/662305867455295488">November 5, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I may get flamed for this but Curry at the moment is the perimeter version of Shaq in terms of the effect that he has on an entire defense. Curry is a threat as soon as he crosses the half-court line, no matter if he has the ball or not, his sheer presence causes defense to worry about him. I can't really say that about LeBron, Harden, or Westbrook. Each of those guys need to have the ball to be effective, not Curry. The amount of space that he creates for his teammates on offense is ridiculous. There is no helping off of Steph Curry, he effectively eliminates a help defender from the other team. When he has the ball, he's still just as effective. His handles are spectacular, and he can make excellent passes to open teammates. Defending a pick and roll is a NIGHTMARE for the defense, because you can't give him any opening whatsoever or he will rise up for a shot. Furthermore, he's unselfish, so he never has any issue making the right pass to his teammates. Finally, think about the mental aspect. I don't know about other fans, but I get nervous every time he decides to shoot it, because I think it's going in. For a player, seeing him drain tough threes with regularity must be demoralizing. You think you made him take a tough shot but he just keeps hitting them.
What is more interesting is that the Lakers shot more 3s than us and are equally bad. I told you, Harden was about the show the world he's on Kobe's level. :grin:
Last night he was hitting 3s like 3 feet behind the line. I would expect most decent 3 point shooters to make a majority of their open 3s. With curry if he gets any separation I expect him to make it.
He's ballin right now nuff said.... Doubt he shoots this good for the whole season but it won't be much worse. If I'm guarding him I stick to everyone else and just let him get his 50 points. U can't let draymond free catch that ball on the run because he handles the ball and passes so well he creates easy shots for everyone else better than curry imo. Last night against the clippers green was the difference not curry. His 7 3s were nice but those green passes across court to Barnes were back breakers and he did it 3x in a row to tie the game up after being down 10.
For all other NBA players, the good defense is to force a jump shot in the perimeter. For Curry, the good defense is to double him immediately after crossing the half court and force the ball out of his hands and force other players to beat you. The moment you let Curry open to take a 3, the odds are pretty much against you. He produces a ridiculous 1.56 points per possession for his 3 pointers.
