It is not enough outgoing salary. The Rockets have no space under the hard cap remaining since the signing of Hayes. They are at the limit and would have to match dollar for dollar - Not the 125%+100k rule (which is what the trade checker assumes). KJ $3.189 Jones $2.489 Dekker $1.646 Total - $7.324 Anderson's salary is $8.5m That's a deficit of $1.176m in salary to make the money work. Since the signing of Hayes puts them at 15 players they would not be on the hook for cap holds as they would be at the minimum 13 players on the roster at the conclusion of the trade BUT they would not have any available funds (Not even Min deals) to fill those two open roster spots for the rest of the season. They'd be stuck at 13 players without shedding further salary.
There'd be a certain irony in trading for Anderson with a package that included Sam Dekker. It'd be like, here's your draft pick back Pelicans!
Perhaps @bimaThug could weigh in. I do know Chuck Hayes' contract in not guaranteed. Don't know what date it becomes guaranteed on. We also have a few TPE's one for 1.6M and another for 816K. Not sure how that all ties together with cap holds etc.
It is non-guaranteed. Also keep an eye out for November 12th. Bobby Marks noted the other day when Chuck was signed that the Dwight Howard suspension actually free'd up enough cash to allow 13 days of Chuck Hayes' contract to not count against the salary cap. Not sure if Marks is 100% correct here because I think BimaThug had a response to clarify something on that, but if Marks is correct, the 13 day tryout for Chuck makes sense, and it makes sense that at the time of the signing why Feigan and others were noting that this could just be short term. Regardless.... The Rockets are still hard capped with only about a million bucks either way to go over what they are taking back in a trade vs. what they are giving away. So I suspect this thread will be pretty slow this year, or the trades will have to be super complex because its going to be very, very hard for the Rockets to make trades this year with any significant salary coming back. There is no Lin-Exception type of situations out there waiting for the Rockets to bounce on. No easy way to bring in an impact player.
Here's the Salary Cap FAQ ..... It'll tell you just what I have laid out. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm Sure , they have TPE's for Shved ($1.6m) , Cannan ($816k) and Daniels ($816k) but those exceptions can not be combined with other salary. They are only good to absorb a player making up to that amount (+100k). Also if they cut Hayes or add him (or another player) to the deal they would then be on the hook for that roster hold of $525k (rookie min salary) as they would be below the minimum roster of 13 at the completion of the trade. You could conceivably cut a player or add him to a trade and use one of those TPE's to absorb incoming salary for a player making less than or equal to the exception and avoid the roster hold. But Hayes ($947k) does not count enough towards the cap to make up for the 1.176m deficit , he leaves you short by 229k. Basically you'd be forced to throw in Capela ($1.242m) and have a second player return who fits one of the TPE's , avoiding the roster hold .... to make the $$$ work. I would send Jones , Dekker & KJ for Anderson with the quickness .... but I'm not adding Capela or another rotation player with them. If they are going to swing a deal on that tier of contract , it'll likely have to wait until Jan15th when PatBev and Brewer are eligible to be traded. I'd be real hesitant to trade PatBev. Brewer not so much as you have both Thornton and KJ at the position assuming you didn't ship KJ out in the transaction.
Should they at some point cut Hayes prior to his guarantee date , his salary for the number of games he spent on the roster would be factored against the cap. 82 / 947 per game. Roughly $11.5k per game. That part is also clearly explained in the FAQ.
Great stuff. I wouldn't trade Capella either UNLESS we make it a 3 way deal including Minnesota so we get Gorgui Dieng to replace him.
That's not the point of what I was getting at. I mentioned the apparent offset of Dwight's suspension against what you are paying Chuck Hayes for a short term allotment of games giving the Rockets a little relief to sustain the number left under the cap they thought they had before the signing. I mentioned that simply because Bobby Marks, a guy who was in charge of knowing the cap for his former team, mentioned pretty much exactly what I said. Where the confusion is would be with the Dwight Howard suspension. He seems to be under the impression that the NBA allows for deductions against the cap for player suspensions. It's not something I would think would be the case, but I at least wanted to mention that he mentioned it. And yeah, if he was right, that would impact the offset of Chuck Haye's deal in a short term deal where essentially Hayes' contract isn't going to take away from much of the amount they thought they were going to have before signing him due to Dwight's suspension. Again though... Marks could be wrong here. I mean he was let go from the Brooklyn Nets, and team that wasn't exactly known for setting up the greatest cap future flexibility in the league.
Dieng played GREAT when he had a defined role last season. He's a shotblocker, passer with a jump shot. With Minnesota's new additions this season of Kevin Garnett, Karl-Anthony Towns and Nemanja Bjelica his minutes and role are inconsistent. Him not playing well actually helps the buyer. His stock is lower. Dieng has done far more thus far in the NBA than Capela.
I've liked him until recently. Can't say I dislike him. I am concerned about a case of the dumb-dumbs with him though.
Anybody that can rebound, pass and protect the rim like him can't be that dumb. If/ when he becomes a starter or gets regular minutes he always delivers. Remember this... http://youtu.be/Hbot-rwWnRc
Thanx Corrrosion and Dobro for your insightful posts in this thread. Repped. This is the reason that trade machines shouldn't be trusted and that every team has cap experts who's their sole job is things like that. And even then teams still make many mistakes and the league office has to get them to fix them like with Denver and Faried or with Indy this year and their cap. As for Rhyno you can't base it on just 3-4 matches. You have to see the whole route of that franchise in years, and their direction is WIN NOW. They won't trade such a good win now piece like Rhyno for raw players like KJ, and Dekker. They gave big contracts to other win now pieces like Asik and Ajinca. And Gordon will go off the books this year too so they won't have such a big problem adding a player they want in FA. (a mid tier FA most likely). I agree with BBallholic on Dieng. He never boxes out and has ZERO defensive awareness. He has regressed if anything in defence from his rookie season. He has fall in love with his jumper and doesn't do the basic simple things. Just because he may block some shots doesn't mean he is a good defensive rim protecting center.
Does anybody know if we still have our TPE's for Daniels, Canaan and Shved? I know TPE's are supposed to last one year after the trade but what happens to them when we hit the hard cap? Rep if anyone can answer
Woops didn't read page lol my bad. So if we have those TPE's still that's great, that means we can do a 4 for one type deal while using the TPE's to take back contracts to fill out roster. That really helps with a lot of trades.
Some filler would need to be added to make the salaries work, but something like this would help a lot: CHI out: [PF] T.Gibson; [SG/SF] T.Snell CHI in: [PG/SG] R.Stuckey; [SF] S.Dekker; [SG/SF] K.McDaniels Why? Chicago is hurting at the wings (outside of Butler) and at PG (Rose is playing terribly and the backups haven't cut it). They do have a ton of interior depth however, and with the NBA-ready Portis waiting in the wings, they can trade one of their current 4 that play. Snell has been serviceable but hasn't grown much. Stuckey would give them a strong option at the 1/2 that could start or come off the bench. Dekker and McDaniels are good or great athletes with upside on the wing, where they don't have much outside of Butler. IND out: [SG/SF] C.Miles; [PG/SG] R.Stuckey IND in: [PF] T.Jones; [SG/SF] T.Snell Why? Unlike Chicago, Indy is strong on the wings but thin inside. They're looking to play uptempo, but their bigs are all 6'11"+, and they could use a hybrid/athletic big like Jones who can score to fit their vision. HOU out: [PF] T.Jones; [SF] S.Dekker; [SG/SF] K.McDaniels HOU in: [PF] T.Gibson; [SG/SF] C.Miles Why? I like KJ, and while he could be better than Brewer in a few years, the fact that we just re-signed Brew makes him more expendable. Dekker and Jones might be the most logical candidates to be used as trade bait otherwise. Gibson is a PF who would add toughness, a defender who can defend the post and the face-up bigs, and a solid athlete that can hit the mid-range J. Miles is a gunner like Thornton, but he's 6'6" or 6'7" with long arms, which makes him more valuable and useable in our position-less lineups. D-Mo would still get similar PT, but he could be the focal point in the 2nd unit. Dwight/Capela/(Hayes) T.Gibson/Motiejunas/(Harrell) Ariza/Brewer Harden/C.Miles/(Thornton) Lawson/Beverley/(Terry) I think that team is more well rounded and better suited to handle playoff ball, even if we lose some future upside in KJ/Dekker.
