Lance Berkman campaigns against allowing boys into girls' bathrooms

What crime are you talking about?

We are simply talking about women and girls and fathers not feeling comfortable with a 45 year old man getting naked in front of their teenage daughters.

 

Yea, I wouldn't be comfortable with any stranger naked in public bathroom. It's not an issue because they aren't naked.

 

It wasn't just about bathrooms, it was about locker rooms and other facilities that are specifically for one sex. People get naked in locker rooms...

Again, it was just a poorly thought out ordinance, if they strip the one objectionable thing from it, we'll have a really good anti-discrimination ordinance.....but I doubt they do that because that was the only reason they wanted the ordinance in the first place.

 

This was a nice attempt. I can't believe you actually bought into the child rape propaganda. You do know that is actually still happening in restrooms right? To little boys? Just making sure you know that. I guess little boys are of no concern to you.

Also I don't pretend to speak for women, you do. Most of your side continues to try and speak for women on all issues. There is no actual evidence that it was women that sunk this prop. How about speak for yourself? Stop saying "Women don't want this!" without 0 proof on the matter. No one has produced a poll or any information that says women are so against this. Until you do then please stop saying that and speak to your own irrational fears about it.

Any ways, hooray for Houston for being one of the few major cities left behind on this! WOO!

Meanwhile people that look, act, and behave like men will STILL be going into women's restrooms. Will you address this too?

 

And if they are discovered to be men, they'll likely be asked to leave. Same goes for all other facilities designated for use by just one sex.....which is how it should be. The fact that there will still be some men trying to use women's facilities doesn't mean that men should have the right to use those facilities.

It's pretty arrogant of men to think that they deserve the right to use women's facilities actually. It just shows the level of sexism among some crowds.

 

I'm not talking about child rape. You are just assuming things.

I'm talking about this:

 

Forgot to add the link: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/transgender-student-in-womens-locker-room-raises-uproar/

 

Locker rooms imply some group where each know the others. I'm fine with that.

 

The fewer people that showed up to vote, the less of a chance Prop 1 had of passing.

But my comment was speaking to the nationwide results, which are reflective of a very down ballot year.

 

Did that person go rape those poor little girls? That transgender person must be rapist.

 

agreed 100% - it's just a major logic gap here. protect our little girls so get the "pervs" out of the women's restroom. but at the same time they're okay with forcing men who identify as women (and who in all likelihood are sexually attracted to men) to remain in the mens restroom.

i brought it up earlier but there's far more precedent of pastors/priests molesting small children and female teachers preying on adolescent boys than there's ever been on men pretending to be women in order to rape/molest girls in restrooms but there doesn't seem to be much of a concern from prop 1 opponents on the latter two... so it's strange that this non-issue would drive so much condemnation unless it was based on something else.

 

I don't support the idea of "protected classes" being extended into the private sector.

 

Women are always welcome in men's room.

 

And how will they be discovered to be men Bobby? Are you going to check their genitals?

Guess what, that is illegal and always will be. This ordinance wasn't making public indecency legal. Also, for that particular story they put up privacy curtains and solved the issue.

 

You found one story...from 3 years ago.

Clearly this kind of thing is an EPIDEMIC.

 

Boylove is definitely a high priority for more than a few republican leaders.

 

Let me just add.

The idea that you can know a transsexual just by appearance is pretty long past. Thanks to advancements in science if a transsexual recognizes what they feel is their true gender at a young age and before puberty (Which most do know, it's about whether they are too scared to come out about it or of their parents will support them), they can pretty much blend in with the opposite sex aesthetically well.

In fact there have been several male-to-female models lol.

I mean do people not realize what the term "Trap" means around here in this case?

So this idea that transsexuals are all just so obvious bearded men in dresses need to get with the times. Whether you (Bobby,texxx,BMD) want to believe it or not, you are actually sending men into women's restrooms and vice versa. Medical procedures and the science on this isn't going backwards, it's going to continue to try to blur the line so fair warning. Be prepared for it.

 

Right, everyone knows the rules, the rules being that there is a locker room for men and one for women. If you are a man, even a man that likes to dress as a woman or even a man that has decided that he wants to be a woman, the woman's locker room is not for you. You're fine with those rules right?

Now that said, if a place wants to set up their rules where it's cool for anyone to go into whatever locker room they please, that's fine with me too. After all, if that's what the free market wants, it's what the free market should get. What I'm not for is an ordinance deciding that not allowing men into facilities that are for women to use is some kind of discrimination, it's not.

 

This feels like as good a place as any to remind everyone about the non-binary nature of gender.

 

This isn't about gender, it's about biological sex. Sex can be proven, gender can not. If the "man" or "woman" sign on facilities referred to gender only then they would be effectively meaningless. If a "woman's shelter" only referred to gender, they couldn't turn anyone away regardless of their sex.

Gender is a social construct, sex is biology.