Lance Berkman campaigns against allowing boys into girls' bathrooms

Calling someone he doesn't know except for a few posts a "Bigot" is a sign of intolerance.

It also happens to be counterproductive because if you are trying to affect change in the opposition by convincing them your stance it correct/right/smart the first rule is to not insult the other side as they will immediately tune you out.

 

Like I said.

Anyway, you don't affect change with bigots through voting or reasoning with them. Historically any time the majority discriminates against a minority, change is affected through the courts and that will ultimately be the case here just as it was with gay marriage which was soundly voted down in many states but is now the law of the land. The courts are the trump card to bigotry.

 

I have the answer. Members of the LGBT community?

 

I give the anti group credit. They ran an effective media blitz and they clouded the issue by renaming it a bathroom ordinance which of course it wasn't act all. They threw the lies out early and it always takes more effort to set the issue straight than to cater to ignorance and fear.

Personally I'd like to know how much of that money spent on ads came from outside Houston. It's a disgusting trend in politics when outsiders run in to disrupt elections in cities and states they don't live in.

 

I wasn't going to respond because many of the other posters on here have pretty much said everything I would have said, but you did prove my point. I don't think government should be deciding who can marry who; it's not a governmental/constitutional issue at all. It should be left for each individual to decide. I guess that makes me a "homophobe," right? I don't support discrimination, but I also don't support this ordinance because it's an overreach of city authority. People should be able to disagree with something without being labeled a bigot and homophobe. Christians who believe that gay marriage or transsexualism or whatever is against their faith should be able to express that without fear of retribution or backlash. Calling someone a homophobe or a bigot is NOT tolerant, and it's not right. And I do think the whole bathroom issue, while exaggerated by critics of the ordinance, is something that needed to be addressed by the supporters of HERO.

 

The Ohio legalization bill was crap and a better one will up in two years. They also banned gerrymandering in that state.

 

per here:http://www.dallasvoice.com/hero-supporters-report-million-dollar-haul-nov-3-vote-10205836.html the yes side raised $1.2m compared to sub $300K for the no. And given the high profile folks from outside Houston endorsing the yes side I don't think its a stretch to say the yes got at least as much non-Houston money than the nos, and likely a whole lot more.

It wasn't outside money that won this. It was a dirty campaign and possibly an overreaching ordinance.

And that's the thing with democracy. Sometimes things don't go your way. Just have to regroup and try again.

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per here: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/us/houston-voters-repeal-anti-bias-measure.html?_r=0
totals were $3M vs $1m. And on a high profile measure like this you can bet lots of non-Houston money was involved on both sides. Safe to say more on the yes because they raised so much more overall.

 

Translation:

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE IT MY WAY YOU %&*#$* IDIOT?

Oh you DON'T see it my way? Well, #&(*$%#@ you then!

You're SO INTOLERANT!!!

 

Please learn how to use logic and reason. The line of "well everybody else is doing it" is third grade logic and not convincing in any way.

 

What people should take from this ordinance election is how easy it is to buy elections with inflammatory rhetoric campaigns, to skew perceptions in low information voters and create a false narrative.

It's scary really, popularly sanctioned discrimination.

 

Low turnout = conservative victory

Not a big surprise there.

 

Because women are more against men in their locker room than men are about women in theirs. Plus, men have daughters that they also think about when deciding they don't want men in the locker room with their daughters.

Why don't you care about the feelings of women? Why are you waging a war on women? Stop being so chauvinist you sexist bigot.

 

I know most of y'all don't care, but I am embarrassed as a proud native Houstonian. Front page of national media sites.



Oh well. Things will eventually change, and for now, we can look forward to Lance Berkman's vigilant bathroom patrolling in protecting innocents from the vile pervs of the LGBT community.

If it's any consolation to those more left-leaning Houstonians, San Francisco has again driven me crazy with severely stupid ballot initiatives as well. Not of the same kind, but they keep asking the population to vote on ridiculously technical questions and getting ridiculous results based only on which lobbying group purchased the most ridiculous ads & messages. I guess it's the same everywhere.

 

Nope. Check the mayoral results. They disprove your comment. These were liberals thank sunk this.

 

Interesting, please explain.

I don't live in Houston, so I wasn't allowed to vote on this either way, but both sides silly arguments about bathrooms made it really hard to understand what this ordinance was really about.

Honestly interested to know why anyone voted no for any reason OTHER THAN the bathroom nonsense.

 

I think had the bathroom issue not been apart of the ordinance would have passed i don't think anyone would have wanted men being able to use the ladies restrooms.

 

Nobody is talking specifically about vile pervs from the LGBT community. It's like you and others are purposely ignoring the point or can't comprehend it.

The point people make is that any perv... not just an LGBT perv, could claim they self-identify as a woman (even if they don't really) to perv around in women's locker rooms, bathrooms, etc. And they can legally do it because they would have the "right" to.

It essentially opens up the women's locker room (and men's) to everyone.

 

Clearly it's such a man's world that men think they should have the right to use women's facilities if they feel like it.....and that it's "discrimination" if you don't allow it.

 

Not only would it have passed, it would have passed comfortably. This is a city that has already elected an openly gay mayor.

But that one issue allowed the republicans to paint this whole ordinance as allowing men in women's restrooms, and most voters are too lazy to actually investigate themselves. There was nothing supporters could say to openly shoot that down, this became solely about that issue, and allowing men into women's restrooms is something most people would balk at.

There's no doubt this was fear mongering on the conservatives part, they found a caveat to push the ant-LGBT agenda. They need to remove the bathroom issue, because I doubt it gets through anytime soon when the conservatives can drop that hammer whenever the issue is brought up.

 

It's not legal to commit a crime. You might mean it's easier. However, that's not the case at other cities that passed similar ordinance.