Planned Parenthood Director caught on tape selling aborted baby parts

Please, if you dislike wordiness, stop repeating yourself. I have addressed this several times already with both data and facts. You still haven't even glanced at how Portgual halved drug use by legalizing all drugs, and you've barely taken a look at how Switzerland has decreased abortions by paying for them.

No, criminalization may not decrease the behavior, especially if the same shame-based policies that drive criminalization also fail to differentiate between contraceptives and abortion or support women in any meaningful economic or medical way (two things you have refused to do up to this point).

 

Sure, do that. You don't think we already do?

It's not about other 'options'. At 16, most girls are not ready mentally to endure 9 months of labor. You can tell them about adoption but nothing will suppress the fear they have of raising a fetus to term and pushing the baby out. That fear is going to stay with them. They are kids. Many of them aren't ready to take on the physical torment of child birth. That fear is what drives them to want to abort the pregnancy. And please don't respond to me about how it's not that bad. You are a freaking dude. I doubt any one of your previous relationships have told you that pregnancy is easy or not painful.

 

The chart I saw (2001/2007/2012) indicated that usage in lifetime was UP from about 8/12/10%.

Uage in the past year went from 2.6/2.8/2.4%

Usage in the past month went from 2.1/2.1/1.9%

Where's the halving?

re: Low Swiss abortion rates:

"In 2011, the rate was 6.8 per thousand women aged between 15 and 44. This is remarkably low compared to the United Kingdom (17.5), France (15 in 2009) and the United States (16 in 2008), for example."

and this "The morning-after pill, which prevents the establishment of a pregnancy after unprotected sex, was released for sale without prescription in 2002."

 

Women have done it for millenia. BTW, labor generally lasts a few hours not 9 months. Was there a time when this "fear" discouraged sexual activity? Maybe that was not such a bad thing? At any rate, it's time to "woman up" and live out the thing you have set in motion by your choice.

 

^There's the halving.

re:

 

Women have also aborted their babies for millenia and will continue to do so regardless of any laws that put them in prison for doing it.

Your tax dollars could be going to supporting families and reducing the abortion rate or imprisoning medical service providers and women. How curious to see you choosing the latter.

You keep on talking about "a ban". What does that "ban" even look like?

 

I guess we had better define our terms. Here's one of your earlier posts: "You've never contested how Portugal decreased drug abuse rates by half by legalizing all drugs."

I would describe any use of virtually any hard drug as "abuse." Your more recent citing only talks only about "problematic addicts."

the other important piece here, although they only describe it in the narrative, is that Portugal's drug problem was HUGE after the removal of the dictatorship so the standard of comparison was very high. How many of those "problematic addicts" just died and so no longer count.

Aren't statistics fun?

 

Yes, lets.

I deal a lot with big data sets (not working as much with Spark as I'd like to though, but hey). If at any time, you want to discuss statistics, bayesian vs frequentist inference, the methodology of a study or its statistical significance, let me know.

First, I highly suggest you read this report from the Cato Institute:

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/greenwald_whitepaper.pdf

Want the summary?

http://www.cato.org/publications/wh...essons-creating-fair-successful-drug-policies

 

No you have not. One was about the morning-after pill which precludes abortion. One was about the training of the person performing the abortion which has nothing to do whatsoever with reducing the number of abortions; it;s just about who performs it. If forget the other one. I'll come back if I find it or think of it, but clearly neither one of these is causal to a liberal abortion policy reducing the number of abortions. One is pre-abortion, the other is during the abortion and the third is ....

Regarding the other stats, could there be other reasons besides strict abortion law that abortions are runaway in Africa and Latin America?

 

Is there any reason why you think criminalizing abortion is strictly correlated with lower abortion rates when it's not?

 

wrong thread

 

That's not an ad hominem attack, your adversarial mentality clouds your judgement.

You condone the non-essential slaughter of hundreds of innocent, intelligent, sentient beings every year, and the for-profit businesses that surround it, just to maintain your elected consumer lifestyle. You sponsor death of others in exchange for your own convenience.

It's hard for you to come to terms with the hypocrisy of your crusade against abortion because you're too removed from the killing you condone and benefit from.

 

DECADES? You just pwn3d yourself since "decades" are only a tiny fraction of the earth's history.

 

lol.

the exponential acceleration of the computing age and moore's law can be measured in an even smaller fraction than that. this is an old, irrelevant discussion.

You know, you'd be a lot more useful if you donated money to the medical research you're always clamouring for.

http://www.marchofdimes.org/

 

OK, in direct response to "how is this not better for everyone."

Of course, the more salient objection would be to government forcing a woman to bring a fetus to term and bear it, but feel free to act as if adoption solves all possible objections.